stu70
18th February 2007, 12:45 PM
I do hope you are not trying to imply that i dont have a sense of humour I am not going to accuse anyone of having sense of humor:nice1
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gil
18th February 2007, 01:29 PM
I am not going to accuse anyone of having sense of humor:nice1
:laugh:laugh
Gil
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Gil
bob_the_engineer
18th February 2007, 08:41 PM
One reason why the UK is better than NZ.
Lots of free stuff!! Go for it :raebanana
Sadly you have to be a scrote to get it! :exit
If like me you earn more than average then your in trouble, all in around 75% tax!
If you have children you may be a little better off, but even then if you earn a lot you’ll still be in a poor position. (dinky professionals are hammered, but there is a VERY VERY small concession for those with children)
If like bpk (who’s post promoted this one) you’re a highly skilled and qualified professional then you’re in for a real shock. There is a reason why the skilled are getting the hell out of the UK.
Give it a try bpk, there is no substitute for experience.
One other piece of advice, don’t grow old and invest in your future there.
Bob
Lots of free stuff!! Go for it :raebanana
Sadly you have to be a scrote to get it! :exit
If like me you earn more than average then your in trouble, all in around 75% tax!
If you have children you may be a little better off, but even then if you earn a lot you’ll still be in a poor position. (dinky professionals are hammered, but there is a VERY VERY small concession for those with children)
If like bpk (who’s post promoted this one) you’re a highly skilled and qualified professional then you’re in for a real shock. There is a reason why the skilled are getting the hell out of the UK.
Give it a try bpk, there is no substitute for experience.
One other piece of advice, don’t grow old and invest in your future there.
Bob
zardell
18th February 2007, 08:49 PM
There is a reason why the skilled are getting the hell out of the UK.
Well said,but there are two reasons in my opinion Bob....New Zealand for one and the Skilled Migrant Category for the other.
Julie
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Well said,but there are two reasons in my opinion Bob....New Zealand for one and the Skilled Migrant Category for the other.
Julie
xx
bpk
21st February 2007, 04:17 PM
Firstly – I have to say that I’m all for pointing out the negatives in NZ life – and rigorously defend peoples need and right to post about their struggles. People DO need to hear that it can be difficult to settle here, as much as they need to hear how amazing it can be.
That being said – I don’t think this is a wind up – and I find Bkp’s post highly offensive. It’s full of inaccuracies – which seem to be based on nothing but bad research and a lousy attitude. I mean – can’t get a mortgage on a work visa???? Can’t access Public health???? Even on visitors visas, my family are getting huge amount out of the health system – as are friends of mine on Work Visas.
This is a very harsh post – so please don’t read it if you are likely to be offended – because I make no apologies for it.
What has really got me so angry is this:
BPK, you have previously complained about this – and the fact that as a person who didn’t apply for PR (because you didn’t bother to find out the differences) you cannot get benefits paid to you to support you, your wife and children.
Why the hell do you think you should get anything off the taxpayers of New Zealand just because you pay tax for gods sake? Even if you wre on PR - why the hell do you EXPECT benefits??? Why the hell do you think my husband should go out to work 40 hours a week and pay 39% in taxes just so that YOU can get some extra money to pay for YOUR family????? My husband goes out to work to support OUR family – not for your benefit. I would appreciate it if you would take a moment to consider all the other New Zealanders, and members of this forum who you also expect to go out and earn money for your benefit. In fact in 13 years of us both paying taxes we have never got a bean out of any government!
Tell you what – lets cut out the middleman shall we? As you seem to feel entitled to have others look after you – why not spend 2 days a week bringing your family to my house. I’ll cook for them, clothe them, and clean up after them. Ill do their laundry (Although as I have to stick to budget because so much of my husbands salary already goes to pay towards raising other peoples families – I’m sure you will understand that I cannot afford to use the tumble dryer during the day. And we may have to make do with the food in the freezer, as I cannot afford to buy food in specially. If only I didn’t have to pay taxes!)
I find your “Entitlement attitude” to be truly sickening. I don’t say this lightly. I also find your hypocrisy similarly unpalatable. On the one had – you feel that benefits should be paid out to you to support your family simply because you have paid some tax (not because you are in genuine need). On the other hand – you object strenuously to having to pay a whole third of your salary in taxes! Surely you understand that it’s people like you who feel they are entitled to something off the state that also means people like you have to pay whole third of your salary in taxes?????
Indeed in the UK, I can’t speak for working conditions across all of the now 25 member EU, we don’t have to pay 33% of my salary in taxes, we get to spend 51% of salary in taxes. Of the 49% remaining, we get to contribute 17.5% of what we spend on VAT, plus duties on petrol, alcohol, local taxes for the right to live in the house we own and so on.
We then get the benefit of paying for a private pension. On the good side we don’t mind contributing taxation money to the Govt. to support pensioners who have made a contribution to our country, enjoyed the benefits of our modern health system, and aren’t dropping dead the day after they retire. Great, I’m glad they are able to enjoy their retirement, even if as a nation we are too selfish to contribute to a pension that gives them more than a subsistence standard of living. I too look forward to the day, in 40 years time, when I get to retire, oh – yes – and pay yet more tax on my private pension because instead of assuming that we are entitled to live off of the work of others, we have made some provision for our future.
Plus we get to pay for private medical insurance, subject to VAT again, because I know that the NHS (other than getting me swiftly to an emergency department when I collapse with a heart attack due to stress, or a traffic accident) can’t support me in my time of need in a manner that actually gets me back into the productive economy in a useful time frame. Despite having a budget greater than the GDP of many small countries, the NHS is grossly inefficient, is collapsing under the weight of the “entitlement” culture that many of those demanding services from it have. I may not have to pay “at the time of use” for the NHS, but I do have to pay through the nose in advance, irrespective of how much I use it’s services.
BKP, with respect – its not New Zealand’s fault that you didn’t know the difference between PR and a Work Visa. Its not New Zealand’s fault that you didn’t realise the country lies on an active fault line. Its certainly not New Zealand’s fault that you do not understand about NZ mortgages. Its not New Zealand’s fault that you seem surprised about the costs of immigration. Its certainly not New Zealand’s fault that it 25 hours away from “civilisation” (not sure how you missed that one to be honest) All these things are discussed at length on this very forum. If you haven’t done the research – that’s YOUR fault. I realise its always going to be the case that, as a potential migrant, you will miss something – but come on! You don’t even seem to understand the basics of the process. Please stop whining about it.
I think that’s a very good question – because to be honest – I can’t see why you came here either :confused: . This is so much more than struggling to adapt to a new country. I could have sympathy and understanding for that. I cannot have sympathy or understanding for your attitude that NZ should bend over backwards for you because you feel you have a right to it.
Can't you be less rude in your reply? I am free to express my opnion about NZ and I am not asking you to cook for me or to work for me..I am not a begger in the street neither I am idle!
I am a highly motivated person, have high qualifications and high experince..I can leave the country for you to enjoy and can find more better jobs anywhere in the world just by a telphone call..do you understand...
But will never allow you - or anybody else- to be impolite with me.
I hope you understand.
That being said – I don’t think this is a wind up – and I find Bkp’s post highly offensive. It’s full of inaccuracies – which seem to be based on nothing but bad research and a lousy attitude. I mean – can’t get a mortgage on a work visa???? Can’t access Public health???? Even on visitors visas, my family are getting huge amount out of the health system – as are friends of mine on Work Visas.
This is a very harsh post – so please don’t read it if you are likely to be offended – because I make no apologies for it.
What has really got me so angry is this:
BPK, you have previously complained about this – and the fact that as a person who didn’t apply for PR (because you didn’t bother to find out the differences) you cannot get benefits paid to you to support you, your wife and children.
Why the hell do you think you should get anything off the taxpayers of New Zealand just because you pay tax for gods sake? Even if you wre on PR - why the hell do you EXPECT benefits??? Why the hell do you think my husband should go out to work 40 hours a week and pay 39% in taxes just so that YOU can get some extra money to pay for YOUR family????? My husband goes out to work to support OUR family – not for your benefit. I would appreciate it if you would take a moment to consider all the other New Zealanders, and members of this forum who you also expect to go out and earn money for your benefit. In fact in 13 years of us both paying taxes we have never got a bean out of any government!
Tell you what – lets cut out the middleman shall we? As you seem to feel entitled to have others look after you – why not spend 2 days a week bringing your family to my house. I’ll cook for them, clothe them, and clean up after them. Ill do their laundry (Although as I have to stick to budget because so much of my husbands salary already goes to pay towards raising other peoples families – I’m sure you will understand that I cannot afford to use the tumble dryer during the day. And we may have to make do with the food in the freezer, as I cannot afford to buy food in specially. If only I didn’t have to pay taxes!)
I find your “Entitlement attitude” to be truly sickening. I don’t say this lightly. I also find your hypocrisy similarly unpalatable. On the one had – you feel that benefits should be paid out to you to support your family simply because you have paid some tax (not because you are in genuine need). On the other hand – you object strenuously to having to pay a whole third of your salary in taxes! Surely you understand that it’s people like you who feel they are entitled to something off the state that also means people like you have to pay whole third of your salary in taxes?????
Indeed in the UK, I can’t speak for working conditions across all of the now 25 member EU, we don’t have to pay 33% of my salary in taxes, we get to spend 51% of salary in taxes. Of the 49% remaining, we get to contribute 17.5% of what we spend on VAT, plus duties on petrol, alcohol, local taxes for the right to live in the house we own and so on.
We then get the benefit of paying for a private pension. On the good side we don’t mind contributing taxation money to the Govt. to support pensioners who have made a contribution to our country, enjoyed the benefits of our modern health system, and aren’t dropping dead the day after they retire. Great, I’m glad they are able to enjoy their retirement, even if as a nation we are too selfish to contribute to a pension that gives them more than a subsistence standard of living. I too look forward to the day, in 40 years time, when I get to retire, oh – yes – and pay yet more tax on my private pension because instead of assuming that we are entitled to live off of the work of others, we have made some provision for our future.
Plus we get to pay for private medical insurance, subject to VAT again, because I know that the NHS (other than getting me swiftly to an emergency department when I collapse with a heart attack due to stress, or a traffic accident) can’t support me in my time of need in a manner that actually gets me back into the productive economy in a useful time frame. Despite having a budget greater than the GDP of many small countries, the NHS is grossly inefficient, is collapsing under the weight of the “entitlement” culture that many of those demanding services from it have. I may not have to pay “at the time of use” for the NHS, but I do have to pay through the nose in advance, irrespective of how much I use it’s services.
BKP, with respect – its not New Zealand’s fault that you didn’t know the difference between PR and a Work Visa. Its not New Zealand’s fault that you didn’t realise the country lies on an active fault line. Its certainly not New Zealand’s fault that you do not understand about NZ mortgages. Its not New Zealand’s fault that you seem surprised about the costs of immigration. Its certainly not New Zealand’s fault that it 25 hours away from “civilisation” (not sure how you missed that one to be honest) All these things are discussed at length on this very forum. If you haven’t done the research – that’s YOUR fault. I realise its always going to be the case that, as a potential migrant, you will miss something – but come on! You don’t even seem to understand the basics of the process. Please stop whining about it.
I think that’s a very good question – because to be honest – I can’t see why you came here either :confused: . This is so much more than struggling to adapt to a new country. I could have sympathy and understanding for that. I cannot have sympathy or understanding for your attitude that NZ should bend over backwards for you because you feel you have a right to it.
Can't you be less rude in your reply? I am free to express my opnion about NZ and I am not asking you to cook for me or to work for me..I am not a begger in the street neither I am idle!
I am a highly motivated person, have high qualifications and high experince..I can leave the country for you to enjoy and can find more better jobs anywhere in the world just by a telphone call..do you understand...
But will never allow you - or anybody else- to be impolite with me.
I hope you understand.
bpk
21st February 2007, 04:23 PM
[QUOTE=Avalon;115660]Your ignorance continues to astound me!
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And your rudeness has reached high levels!
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And your rudeness has reached high levels!
gil
21st February 2007, 04:47 PM
( :clap:clap and sounds of applause fading....) and after the success of the last couple of posts in the style of Adrian Mole, next post in the style of........Emminem........any takers?
:D
Gil
PS this could spawn a whole new board in The Lounge...."Whose Post Is It Anyway?"
:D
Gil
PS this could spawn a whole new board in The Lounge...."Whose Post Is It Anyway?"
stu70
21st February 2007, 05:05 PM
( :clap:clap and sounds of applause fading....) and after the success of the last couple of posts in the style of Adrian Mole, next post in the style of........Emminem........any takers?
:D
Gil
PS this could spawn a whole new board in The Lounge...."Whose Post Is It Anyway?"
I loooove your sense of humour. I take thats what you majored in at the University :laugh
:D
Gil
PS this could spawn a whole new board in The Lounge...."Whose Post Is It Anyway?"
I loooove your sense of humour. I take thats what you majored in at the University :laugh
StevieD
21st February 2007, 10:17 PM
What, huh, have I missed something??!!!
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