[dean1968]

New Zealand is fast running out of men and demographer Paul Callister says we've got the same ratio now in the 30-34 age group as in 1926 following World War I.
Apart from Hong Kong and Singapore, New Zealand is the highest in the OECD by quite a long way in the sex ratio imbalance. In the 20 to 49 age group there are around 35,000 more women than men.
Callister, who studies the characteristics of our society, is being paid by the government to investigate the country's gender imbalance.

http://www.kpmg.co.nz/pages/102743.html
http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/411749/600320
http://xtramsn.co.nz/news/0,,11964-4603290,00.html

The broader social implications are a more NZ "liberal" - sexually liberated minded society. Gay ministers of the church, same sex marriages etc, defacto relationships. The only comparison I can think of in history - 1920’s after WWI in Germany was very liberal , 1990’s after communism collapsed in Russia, where people let down their hair down.

I was swapping stories with a nice sheila from Sweden and I said what is going on there in her country high sucide rate all sorts of other social breakdown / problems. I said it is very similar to NZ. Her take on it was the breakdown in family. The husband divorces the Sweidsh women are more sexually liberated (they only have to snap their fingers over there)_ equal social status to men, children living with other husbands / boyfriends. The kids are all screwed up etc. If you look at Sweden the women run the country and the social policies. NZ is going to be very friendly to women now and in the future especially the workforce etc. I have nothing against it. Equal pay, better social policies (working conditions) for women with child care, maternity leave etc.

According to Australian demographer Bernard Salt, that's already resulted in an increasingly matriarchal New Zealand culture and will continue to change everything from households to consumption patterns.

[stu70]

Interesting read. On the other side, China is going to have a shortage of brides in a few years. It is sad really that in 21st century we are still looking at bringing women at the same level as men. We should have succeeded at this long ago. Some day down the pike, hopefully they will all be treated equally.

[Andy-Dee]

Marcia is doing her bit !!! She's imported some very good quality stock just recently. :nice1
D

[dean1968]

I think NZ had one the first openly she/he transexual politicians and we have a lot of openly gay politicians. They are treated as national celebs. Other countries you would be lynched...

Plus our prostitution bills have been reformed...


My advice to new migrants if you don't like it dont come here.

[stu70]

I think NZ had one the first openly she/he transexual politicians and we have a lot of openly gay politicians. They are treated as national celebs. Other countries you would be lynched...

Plus our prostitution bills have been reformed...


My advice to new migrants if you don't like it dont come here.

To be honest, Canada does have very liberal society despite being next door to one of the most puritanical nations on this earth. We do not vote somebody into an office "coz they are seen holding their bible in their hands". Thank God for that. We too have gay parliamentarians and ministers (holding political office). As humans evolve, it will dawn upon (most of)them that sexuality like the colour of their skin is not something one chooses at birth.

[Diny]

Man drought in NZ?

Good job I already got mine !!!!

[toesonthenose]

Stu70,
You must be talking about Greenland! Wink, wink, nudge, nudge, know what I mean?
From the not quite puritanically, scantily clad beaches of Hawaii,
Shaun

[dean1968]

Relgion and the State is suppose to be separate (the bible preaches that) but here in NZ but we have the (fanatical) religious groups trying to influence government policy. The only problem politics is a dirty game. (politicians are rated just above used car salesman by the general public for honesty) They are trying to get their men in but so far they have had bad luck. One has been convicted and they seem to back the wrong horse / man . I have studied other countries and once they get a foothold it is difficult to get them out. I don’t want to throw stones but one of our prominent members of parliament who shallremain nameless, had 2 extra-marital affairs, ( Hey ladies, get use to it. These are ones we actually know about). A typical hypocrite preaching 1950’s era/ style family values in bed with this religious group. They are out of touch with reality. It just not gonna happen.

[Caroline and Dave]

Relgion and the State is suppose to be separate (the bible preaches that) but here in NZ but we have the (fanatical) religious groups trying to influence government policy. The only problem politics is a dirty game. (politicians are rated just above used car salesman by the general public for honesty) They are trying to get their men in but so far they have had bad luck. One has been convicted and they seem to back the wrong horse / man . I have studied other countries and once they get a foothold it is difficult to get them out. I don’t want to throw stones but one of our prominent members of parliament who shallremain nameless, had 2 extra-marital affairs, ( Hey ladies, get use to it. These are ones we actually know about). A typical hypocrite preaching 1950’s era/ style family values in bed with this religious group. They are out of touch with reality. It just not gonna happen.

I think you will find this is the same world over.Heavens knows how many affairs John Prescott has had and he is the Deputy Prime Minister in the UK. He throws a good punch too.

[stu70]

Yeah, we do have a "redneck" for PM at the moment. He thinks green house is when you fill the house with gas that is green in colour. He is equally enlightened on other social issues like gay rights, poverty, etc. We can only hope that this person will be turfed out come next election.

[stu70]

Stu70,
You must be talking about Greenland! Wink, wink, nudge, nudge, know what I mean?
From the not quite puritanically, scantily clad beaches of Hawaii,
Shaun

No I meant Iceland but close enough:D
On a more "serious note" you are just trying to rub it in; you live in God's country already and still want to move to another beautiful nation?
Do you want to try out the tundra (err Canada) living for a change??:laugh

[toesonthenose]

Stu,
No thanks on the tundra, you can have it all to yourself! I did my 24 years in the midwest and escaped (okay released for good behavior) to California and then Hawaii. My first winter in LA, I could drive 1 hour to the mountains and have better snow and ski conditions than I ever saw in frozen Michigan or Minnesota. I realized that I didn't have to live through those winters. My interest in NZ is mostly political, don't get me wrong, it's a wonderful place. But I have 3 boys and with the US administration and military itching to start more wars, I see NZ as a escape hatch from a potential military draft. My dad did 2 tours in Vietnam, and I do not want what happened to him to happen to my kids. We live near a Marine Base (where they have been training loudly with patriotic music blaring nonstop since 9-11-01) and I've seen these guys wounded, and some of the fathers of my sons friends having PTSD and other mental problems since returning. That's why I am interested in another isolated Polynesian island group, because the climate in NZ sure is not better than here. Sunny and 76F today. Ocean temp of 75F. Mid winter.
I do miss my Red Wings though. A hui hou, Shaun

[jess]

Man drought in NZ?

Good job I already got mine !!!! :laugh When I was deciding what to leave and what to bring, I thought... well I'll leave the lawn furniture in the states, but I'll bring the books because they're expensive in NZ, and I'll bring the OH because of the man drought.

[Rizak]

:laugh When I was deciding what to leave and what to bring, I thought... well I'll leave the lawn furniture in the states, but I'll bring the books because they're expensive in NZ, and I'll bring the OH because of the man drought.

They should give you extra points on your application if you're going to bringing your own man. Of course, that doesn't mean that you won't be draining the local resources anyway ...

:laugh

[Oops! That sounded a bit more rude that I had intended.]

[upnorthkyosa]

Heh.

I've got three single brothers that I should bring. If kiwi women are so hard up, maybe even THEY will have a chance!

Yeah, I know. I'm mean. ;)

[stu70]

Heh.

I've got three single brothers that I should bring. If kiwi women are so hard up, maybe even THEY will have a chance!

Yeah, I know. I'm mean. ;)

:laugh

[KerryS]

They should give you extra points on your application if you're going to bringing your own man. Of course, that doesn't mean that you won't be draining the local resources anyway ...

:laugh

[Oops! That sounded a bit more rude that I had intended.]

Do you think I should have had points deducted for stealing one of the scarce local resources then? :laugh
I met my Kiwi boy when I got here - we're getting married later this year!

[stu70]

Do you think I should have had points deducted for stealing one of the scarce local resources then? :laugh
I met my Kiwi boy when I got here - we're getting married later this year!

Sorry to say this, but aren't there more severe consequences for taking down endangered species?:D

[The Hodges]

I met my Kiwi boy when I got here - we're getting married later this year!

Congrats

Sorry to say this, but aren't there more severe consequences for taking down endangered species?:D

It's all down to survival of the fittest mate!

[dean1968]

In New Zealand, in all age groups under 20, and in key working age groups, historically there have been more men than women. However, census data indicate that the number of New Zealand women residents relative to men in the broad 20-49 age group has been increasing since the 1980s.

New Zealand has a higher ratio of women to men in the peak childbearing ages of 30 to 34 than any other industrialised country, with 9 per cent more women than men.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10413560

No wonder New Zealand can’t get above 2.1 children per woman birth rate ratio for NZ to replace a "senile and aging population". NZ needs migrants just to replace (the current population) itself.

The key findings were that NZ women are increasingly ‘marrying down’ educationally. In 1986, 61% of partnered women aged 25-24 with a degree or higher education had a partner with a similar qualification. But by 2001 this had declined to 52%.

There appears to be more highly educated tertiary qualified women greatly outnumbering men in all age groups. Migration maybe exacerbating the trend with the “best and the brightest” New Zealand males who tend to migrate.