[Caven]

OK, call me Mr. Thicky if you will :oops: , but I'm confused by this bloody form.

Under the heading " Other Family " the form clearly says name ALL your family, including step this and step that, uncles, etc. OK, no drama. Click on help and it says we define family as spouses and kids. :uhoh

So I phoned NZ House and the guy said, yep, sorry its everyone. I don't believe him. EVERYONE??? Genealogy check aside, that's not funny in my case, at all. I can't remember what half of them look like, never mind their middle names and birthdays! Most of the board will have completed their EOI's so can any of you please tell me how deep you went into naming the in-laws?

Now, you will call me thicko after this one, but for us denizens of the UK, taxation and social security (US?) numbers are the same aren't they, i.e. National Insurance numbers?

Thanks in advance guys, hello melissa if you've jumped servers too! (Palmy)

[markkellaway]

Hi Caven,

I think this section is basically for family members that you may want to "bring over" later on. We just put our direct family on this.

That's my understanding anyway!! :hopeso

Mark. :D

[Lesly]

Hi Caven,

We didn't fill in everyone, we just filled in our parents, children, and our brothers and sisters (not the brother's and sister's children).
My hubby was quite sure it had to be done that way.
I'm sure that if I'm wrong, a good soul will correct me! :angel

Cheers, Lesly :P

[Ellie]

Hi Caven,

I went with what the Help said. I did wonder the same thing, but it specifically states spouses and kids on the Help, so if it turns out to be wrong it's their mistake and can be rectified later. They can hardly make an issue out of it if they provide inaccurate guidelines!

As for the NI number, I agree with you.

Ellie

[MelissaLG]

hello melissa if you've jumped servers too! (Palmy)

Hi Caven,

I made the jump and here I am, just under a different user name. I just listed parents and siblings (I have no kids).

To answer your main question, I do not think you have to list the rest of the gang, i.e., uncles and cousins. If you have a spouse/partner, list the in-laws in the section under your spouse's/partner's family, as well as spouse's/partner's siblings. That should do you.

Good luck! Will you be submitting your EOI before the next draw? We missed the last draw because we were waiting to get information to answer one of the questions (my birth certificate number). AARGGHHH!! :wah But we got the certificate this week so will submit for the next draw, and with luck the points will stay at 100. :hopeso

Melissa

[clg]

When you submit the EOI you check off a bunch of boxes acknowledging that you are aware of various things. One of those items says somthing like family members not listed on this form will not be able to join you later so I think this is used primarily to stop people from discovering family members later on and trying to get them in.

[karltsmith]

NZIS don't want any suprises hence on the face of it what might seem a silly question on the form! We menioned parents, siblings and in my case a half brother and sister I have never even met! Not that the latter will ever be using my NZ connection to come over! See it for what it is but at the same time don't exclude immediate family members in the belief it will somehow make your case stronger...it won't. If other family members decide to migrate using the family quta route they they must also comply with centre of gravity rules for the family! :nice1 :nice1

[jesselyn]

was able to ask that question in the seminar i attended this morning :clap . umm because im unmarried, the solicitor/consultant www.tzovaraslegal.com said to include just the parents and sibling... he told me to remove the names of my brother in law and their children from the EOI...


jes :angel

[Loulou]

Funny...

When I called and asked a very nice lady at NZIS she said just immediate family, ie brothers sisters, mother, father so thats all I put, we'd have a list as big as the army otherwise and they dont give that many spaces!

[markkellaway]

another thing that may be relevant to some is that this is where you can put step children also, at least that's what I did!! :D

Mark. :D

[Jodie]

We've just started filling in our EOI so that it's ready for the next draw - Thanks for clearing this question up for me!

It's just the parents and each of our brothers for us then! (That's good, cos my Mum's got 4 brothers, Dad's got 3 sisters, Darren's Dad's got 4 brothers and his Mum's got 2 aswell so I think I'd have needed another book of paper to include all of them!!) :mrgreen:

Why can't things be straight forward in this immigration malarkey?? :roll:

Jod
:nice1

[Caven]

Hello all,

Thanks to everyone who replied, much appreciated :clap

Narrowly avoided filling my hard drive there with names I've forgotten the faces to!

Hello Mel, we'll be submitting ours for the next draw also, guess that makes us " Palmy Pool Buddies " :nice1

Thanks everyone!

[Dave & Sandra]

Caven

Didn't know you were heading for Palmy too. SoCal Gal and I think we should have a get together barbie on a beach somewhere when we have all arrived. :clap She's bought a house in Otaki.

Sounds like a good idea to me :D

Sandra

[SoCal Gal]

Yay!! More Palmy people!! Soon we'll have enough for a real beach party! I'm dying to see the Tasman NOT in the middle of a winter storm!
Surf's up! :cool

[Lizelle]

Was just reading thru the answers for the family question - I was also wondering about that. I will be filling in my EOI tonight, also hope the pool stays at 100 points.

I have no problem putting my dad's name on the form, but mother is another question, she is abusive, and I have a restraining order against her, so I would REALLY not want her to know that I am immigrating, much less put her name on a form.

If someone could give some advise, I would be quite gratefull :hopeso :?

[Moorf]

Lizelle - sorry to hear that... but I doubt very much that the NZIS would contact your mother if her name was put on the form - it is just factual info about your family they require.

Good Luck
Moorf

[Lizelle]

Moorf,

Not to worry, you know what they say about that which does not kill you.

I suppose I should put it on, otherwise they will think I withheld info or something :mrgreen:

Cheers
Lizelle :D

[Caven]

Hello all,

Good to see more potential Palmies!

We like the idea of a beach party, though a bit iffy about the surfing!

Lizelle, sorry to hear about your mother. I share a similar problem with my mother-in-law ( thieving,deception and dishonesty ), and she's threatening to visit already! :wah She's very skilful at manipulation, especially towards my five year old girl, who loves Grandma. :(

As Moorf has said, it's unlikely the NZIS will contact her. Try to concentrate on buliding your new life and look forward to the day when you'll be free to be yourself.

Take comfort in things such as this:

Even if she finds out...

You'll never have to divulge your NZ work address to your friends, they won't need it, so you know that avenue will be closed to her.

You can have a post-box address, common in NZ I believe, so she can't pin you to a particular street.

You can choose not to be listed in phone directories, so only friends will have your number.

I've given this considerable thought and have other methods/advice I can give if you wish. I truly sympathise Lizelle, hang in there and all the best.

Caven.

[Lizelle]

Caven,

Thanks for the reply. I have to say, I think it is worse if it is your mother-in-law (cannot tell her to go to hell as I told mine :mrgreen: )

I am sorry about your mother-in-law (some words of advise, although I am not all that qualified, since I do not have children yet: Try to keep grandma as far away from your daughter as possible, these types of habits can quicly be learned, and once she is older, it is very hard to unlearn them) :roll: Anyway, that is my 1 cent for the day

I am hoping crazy woman (mother to the uninitiated) never finds out that I am leaving. Luckily I know my dad won't tell her (she may not contact him either), and none of the other siblings will tell her.

Craven, I think that you send me a mail into my inbox, but I get quite confused that early in the morning (it is only just Monday afternoon here), and I deleted it. Don't know if you want to send it again.

Anyway, thank you for the info, I got quite a chuckle out of it (I know it is not that funny, but the things you do just to get by, that other people have no concept of, but karma's a bitch, I do believe it will come round to them again)

Anyway, have a good day (I think it is almost Tuesday in NZ)

[Lizelle]

Caven,

Just realized how patronizing the bit about grandma sounded :oops: , sorry, sometimes I write the first thing that comes to mind.

Anyway, just wanted to say that. I would suppose you do like the rest of us and do what you can and try to accept the things you cannot change (like to saying goes) :angel , though the things we cannot change get a bit to much at times.

I almost have to say goodbye to hubby, he is flying to NZ on Wednesday to look for work. I am hoping for the best, hopefully I'll be there before Chrismas :hopeso

[Caven]

Hello Lizelle

No, I didn't think it was patronising at all, you're absolutely right. We'd all benefit from leaving her. Our daughter is the most important thing to us, and to see her grow up in an environment without the fool offering her pearls of idiocy is worth the move alone.

I could go on to say we have a fear of seeing her in ten years time hanging around the front of a rain-swept shop until eleven at night, falling in love with the local top-boy because he's got a four-pack of Kestrel and a pair of "No-Fits". :uhoh

I think a lot of British parents will feel the same on this board. The chance to see their kids develop into something more than a bunch of unambitious dopes dreaming of the day they can actually go into a pub and be just like dad...every Friday night...with the same people...talking the same crap...the village pub which more resembles a casting couch for an Ocean Finance advert :(

Anyway, I'm being abrasive so I'll stop. No offence taken Lizelle, and I hope your husband does well in his efforts. Good luck mate.

[Lizelle]

Glad to see I caused no stirr. :mrgreen:

Anyway, your second sentence made no sence to me (I'm from South Africa, have no idea what a top-boy or Kestrel or "no-fits" may be, but I gather it is a bad thing.

I have no children yet, but over here the crime is the biggest thing. You get killed for R10 (1 pound), raped for nothing, courtcases takes 5 year to reach any conclusion, our conviction rate for murder is about 3%, and our police are totally understaffed, and in most cases incompetent. :booby

You don't even phone the police when anything gets stolen from your house unless you need the police number for insurance claim. Security companies are one of the biggest employers here, how's that for ironic.

50% unemployment (that's everyone that does not work, not everyone that is actively searching for work), and about 30% AIDS prevalence also does not help.

In short, to end my rave, I see no future for this country. Perhaps in a couple of generations (10 or so), but I will NEVER raise a child in this circumstances. (I am already thinking of implanting GPS into my children some day, that I do not have to go through them going missing and me not knowing for 10 years if they are alive or not - how paranoid is that?)

I do not know if I am being naive about NZ, but it looks to me to be the best thing short of paradise I will ever find :hopeso .

I am really hopefull about hubby's chances in NZ, though. So, hopefully I will be there before the end of the year.

Thanx for the good luck, I hope it holds (me, I believe in karma, so I am hoping that I have suffered enough here to merit a change in the wheel :angel )