[Rusty]

This is a just-in-case all else fails in the plan. Does anyone have any experience in this?

My OH has a sister in ChCh - if we want to apply under adult sibling...
How does the 'gravity' thing work? IE NZ v UK.

She has a mum and step dad in UK and has had no contact with her 'real' father in 5 years.
2 stepbrothers, but as far as I can tell, they have not lived with her and therefore do not count.

Could we apply, or is it 1 in 2 in UK so no go?
Does her Dad count in this, do we have to prove no contact?

The manual is a little confusing, but anyone with a similar experience?

Thank You

[nippa&pippa]

We tried this way as got a sister in auckland but didn't work..something to do with that my sister hasn't been there very long to meet requirement, something like need to be PR for 5 years....Also i got another sister in UK with my parents, 3 in UK against 1 in NZ.
But I know my parents is now in strong position with my sister and I in NZ with PR against one sister in UK in few years time if they want to move.

[Rusty]

Sister will have 3 years very soon, so okay there.

Just whether 1 in NZ against mum and step dad (is this 1 or 2?)

I am sure an expensive call to NZ house would solve it.

[Trigirl]

no "centre of gravity" requirement for siblings. sister in NZ needs to be the only immediate family in NZ. your OH will need a job (doesn't need to be skilled - just any offer of employment)

[Rusty]

no "centre of gravity" requirement for siblings. sister in NZ needs to be the only immediate family in NZ. your OH will need a job (doesn't need to be skilled - just any offer of employment)

Thanks, just to clarify...With our situation, we should be OK? (with a job)

[Trigirl]

i think so - provided your OH's sister is your only family out here and she has had PR for 3 years (not just a work visa or whatever).

here the link http://www.immigration.govt.nz/nzis/operations_manual/5050.htm#o8002

[Rusty]

i think so - provided your OH's sister is your only family out here and she has had PR for 3 years (not just a work visa or whatever).

here the link http://www.immigration.govt.nz/nzis/operations_manual/5050.htm#o8002

Thank you again.

There should be a smilie with a bunch of flowers to insert here.:cheers
That one is the closest I can find - have a beer on me.

Now I have 2 plans to stay. Hope to see you all there in 18 months...(errr, praying, etc please here)

[Rusty]

Uh oh, me again. This is the bit I am unsure of
"they have no other immediate family* who are lawfully and permanently* in the same country in which the principal applicant"
Does this mean OH Mum and step Dad back home?

I think I am going to have to call NZIS and get little clarification.

[Trigirl]

go for it. nzis are pretty good at this stuff. its their job after all :) good luck!

[Moorf]

Is that right? Siblings who are sponsored can do ANY job? Wooohoooo, if so that's a major hurdle hurdled as I thought my (only) brother had to have job from skills list.

So, if medicals and character references are all okay, which they will be, ANY job offer will get them in so qual's are irrelevant?

Does this ONLY work if my parents aren't in the UK? i.e I have to sponsor them here first?

[Trigirl]

it doesn't appear to have to be skilled - they call it an "acceptable offer of employment". it has to be fulltime but there's no salary requirements (well there has to be a salary - but no specified amount)

F6.5.20 Definition of 'acceptable offer of employment'

1. Offers of employment are acceptable if they are for ongoing and sustainable employment with a single employer, or for one or more contracts totalling at least 6 months, if the principal applicant* has provided evidence of having had at least two years of contract work (see F6.5.25 below); and
2. for full-time employment*, and
3. current at the time of assessing the application and at the time of issue of the visa or grant of the permit (see F6.20), and
4. genuine, and
5. for a position that is paid by salary or wages (positions of self-employment, payment by commission and/or retainer are not acceptable), and
6. accompanied by evidence of full or provisional registration, if full or provisional registration is required by law to take up the offer, and
7. compliant with all relevant employment law in force in New Zealand.

[Rusty]

Is that right? Siblings who are sponsored can do ANY job? Wooohoooo, if so that's a major hurdle hurdled as I thought my (only) brother had to have job from skills list.

So, if medicals and character references are all okay, which they will be, ANY job offer will get them in so qual's are irrelevant?

Does this ONLY work if my parents aren't in the UK? i.e I have to sponsor them here first?

I'll post the response from NZIS when I get one.

[Moorf]

Marvellous, thanks Trigirl! :nice1

A bit lazy of me, I know I could look this up, but can I only sponsor over a sibling if my parents are already sponsored to NZ or are somewhere else other than the UK - if my parents are in UK then I guess the centre of gravity is there? :confused: I soooo hate all the what/if/else/whens... would have made a terrible lawyer!

[Trigirl]

it looks as though rusty was right on this. if your parents are in the uk - with your brother - then you can't sponsor him. he has to be the last one in the family left in the uk.

[Moorf]

Drat, I thought that might be the case... back to square one!

[Rusty]

I have just spoken with NZ house in London and now,, £7 later!, I can only confirm what Trigirl has told us for free. I can only be sponsored by NZ sister if there are no parents in the UK. (insert swearing here).
I now need another plan B - must just be ongoing work permit for standard job, but I don't like this idea too much.
What do NZIS say on your side of the world - it is generally accepted they are more helpful.

[Moorf]

No chance of your parents wanting to move over? Mine are chomping at the bit and we're all back in that "waiting game" as we can't sponsor them until March 2008 :wah

[Rusty]

No chance of your parents wanting to move over? Mine are chomping at the bit and we're all back in that "waiting game" as we can't sponsor them until March 2008 :wah

Similar position to you, they mat want to retire there - out there now looking about. But then they can't be sponsored for about a year, not sure how long that could take before we can then be sponsored - I think you can only sponsor one at a time or until they get residence - not sure.
Still leaves 1 dad that we don't talk to in the UK - could take some explanation.

[Moorf]

I've been told that the timescales are that once we become eligible to sponsor my parents (March 08) it takes about 9 months to process so it's at least January 09 before I could even think to start my brothers sponsorship. My parents are fine because they can support themselves and won't need jobs (even though Dad wants to keep working :roll) but my brother will need to find a job.

If we started a business here could we offer my brother a job when the time comes?

[Rusty]

But, can you sponsor your brother straight away?
You are responible for your parents for 2 years under the sponsorship rules.

Still, had some better news from NZIS - although I get only 115 pts (rare to be selected I know) they accept that my job is relevent to my quals - even though they are brand new quals. (HNC Bus Marketing), I was not sure if tey had to be relevent to gaining promotion. Could still change though.

[Moorf]

But, can you sponsor your brother straight away?
You are responible for your parents for 2 years under the sponsorship rules.

Hmmm, good point!

Anyone?

[Trigirl]

well...

you have to provide financial support (if necessary) for 2 years under sibling sponsorship too. but there doesn't seem to be anything that says you cant be financially responsible for parents and siblings at the same time.

still - this isn't an area of the ops manual i'm all that comfortable with and you know what they are like - there could well be something in there somewhere.

[Rusty]

Hmmm, good point!

Anyone?



Just a bump to see if anyone had any experience with this?

[eternalkiwi]

According to the NZIS website "a sponsor must undertake to ensure that financial support and accommodation is provided, if necessary, for at least the first 24 months of residence in New Zealand".

Therefore, based on my understanding of the above, you can sponsor as many family members as the current NZIS policy allows provided you can show evidence that you could provide any necessary support (accommodation and financial support etc). If your siblings are likely to find work quickly or have job offers, you obviously will have less support to demonstrate.

Your sponsorship minimises any financial cost to the government from your family settling in NZ, and also to help make your families settlement into NZ life a little easier.