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kimandgareth
23rd March 2007, 08:18 AM
Hi all

Well, we got back from our reccie trip on Tuesday and now I’m over the jet lag (just!!) I wanted to write a little report on how we got on. Also to say thank you to everyone who gave us such good advice before we went – it helped us no end. Special thanks to Mandy (Trigirl) who welcomed us to Welly and put up with all our questions and waffling on about the trip!! In summary, we loved NZ and the trip only confirmed that we definitely want to emigrate. The trip was so much fun as well as being a great experience and it sure did teach us a lot. Everything I write about how we found it is of course all our personal experience which will differ from others, so I fully accept that it’s not possible to see and understand everything in 3 weeks but overall we did have a really positive time.

The flights there were fine and seemed to pass quicker than the one back that’s for sure!! We flew with BA which was purely because we could book our specific seats (an essential as Gareth is 6ft 3inch and struggles with flights). We arrived in Christchurch on a Saturday afternoon and went to pick up the hire car first. We rented through ACE rentals, who were very reasonably priced but I have to say didn’t do a particularly brilliant job of their customer service. We got there and although they had our booking, they didn’t have any details so they tried to give us the wrong car and also hadn’t got it recorded anywhere that we were dropping it off in Welly. The car was hilarious, although we were genuinely worried it might not make the trip!! We were told that its not unusual for a rental to have 143k on the clock, but we did wonder if the gaping hole in the bumper and the squeaking going around corners was also typical!! Anyway the car got us through the 3,000 km’s that we did so in the end we were happy. We then went to the motor lodge which was clean and well presented. I was also so pleased to find (throughout the trip) that motor lodges etc all provide washing/ironing facilities. It did make me smile that New Zealand hosts realise that we’re not about to burn the place down because they give us an iron :laugh We were pretty tired but went out and about walking around Chch and found the row of lovely restaurants down Oxford/Cambridge Streets next to the river. It was a beautiful sunny evening so we ate outside and then headed back to the lodge to sleep. The jet lag woke us up at 4am so we started the day early and went to the gondola for a great view of the town and area. We spent some time up there and then took a drive right down to Akaroa which was lovely.

After a day in Chch we drove across to Lake Tekapo, which is our favourite place on the whole trip. The lake is gorgeous and the surrounding countryside equally so. We stayed in a lovely B&B and enjoyed some scrumptious breakfasts. We spent a day driving to Mount Cook and were so blessed when we got some clear skies on the peak. We were not quite so blessed with some incredible winds through the valley – at one point I couldn’t even get the car door open!! We also went up to the observatory near the lake which gave some great views but is one heck of a scary drive up there!! It was a perfect couple of days and we really relaxed into the trip. We realised that we’d put a little too much pressure on ourselves to say in the first 24 hours, right, now we’re here, we know its for us, which is totally unrealistic. For us, the enthusiasm got ahead of us and we worked out that we had to relax a little more and just not focus too much on needing to decide there and then if it was the right decision. So, at Lake Tekapo we really chilled out and relaxed a lot more. After the Lake we headed to Queenstown, which was quite a contrast from the peaceful lake. It’s a real one off town and although we liked the variety of the streets and all the different people who we ‘people watched’ it was a little too much of a ‘town’ for us so we spent a lot of our time there journeying outside of the area. You can tell we’re country folk at heart!! One of the days we went on a coach-cruise-coach to Milford Sound, which was good fun. The coach driver was great as he did commentary throughout and told us lots of interesting facts – sounds daft but we hadn’t researched much of the country’s history before we went over (more concerned with general modern day living I guess) so it was great to hear some of it. We spent a day in Arrowtown which was lovely and panned for gold and paddled in the rivers. We also had our first encounter with Kea’s, which most people will know are slightly bold parrot-like birds. We stopped at the Homer Tunnel for a photo opportunity from the coach and saw two Kea’s having great fun eating the top of someones campervan!! :laugh

After Queenstown we begun a bit of a whistle-stop tour, visiting Lake Wanaka (gorgeous, but more built up than Tekapo), Franz Josef (we saw the Fox glacier in the end and didn’t have time to see the other), Punakaiki (the Pancake Rocks were incredible, although we had a storm over night and managed to drown half the hotel room!!), Nelson (a lovely harbour town with a beautiful long beach) and finally Wellington. The ferry across went really well considering there were storms about and it was really nice to see Wellington come into view.

Our thoughts on Wellington itself were mixed. As a lot of people know, we had gone on our trip assuming that we would base ourselves in Wellington when we made the move for good so we were extra excited to see the city. Going back to when I mentioned before about our enthusiasm adding a little too much pressure, we were a little disappointed in the end. Wellington itself is a beautiful capital and the nicest big city either of us have experienced, but we found it was too much of a city for us. We’d had visions of being able to live outside and commute in, which we could still do, but seeing it and being able to actually properly see how it would be made us realise that its too urban for us, even if we’re just working there. We did drive up both the highways 1 and 2 and look at the suburbs with the hope of finding somewhere we fell for but it just didn’t happen. The place we liked the most was Paraparaunu, where we thought we could live nearby and then it would be our shopping etc centre, but the commute to Wellington would still be a bit of a hike and we didn’t think we’d quite get the real rural feel we were after. Having said that, Te Papa, the museum was wonderful and we loved wondering around the Bird Sanctuary and visiting Mount Victoria look-out and we would definitely go back to spend more time exploring the city in the coming years.

To be honest, we got quite downhearted at this stage we our plans seemed like they weren’t going to work – which goes to show how worthwhile it is to do a reccie before making the move for good. We spoke a lot about it and knew that our hearts were in the South Island. In the end we have decided to go to Christchurch for work and live just outside. We loved the place and although it’s a town, it has a green and country feel to it that we really liked. We have reviewed some of the property options and we can get an acre with a decent sized house well within our budgets. Although there are less jobs for us in Chch than in Wellington, there are quite a few we can still go for so we’re quietly confident that we’ll be OK getting work. In the end, we have to go with what we truly feel in our hearts will give us the life-style and environment we want and if it means less wages but with the open space and country feel we’re after then that’s fine with us. We should be able to make the move next year once we have got enough capital together and it’s so nice to be able to know in our minds now what we’ll be working towards.

We learnt so much on the trip and we can’t recommend enough that anyone considering emigrating go over first to check it out. Although we knew we wanted a rural place, we hadn’t realised until we were actually there how strong this feeling was and we never would have if we hadn’t gone to see for ourselves. In general we felt safe and everyone we spoke to was really nice and polite. We tried to experience as much of normal ‘life’ as we could and watched the news every day and went to the supermarkets, ate in local restaurants and café’s (avoided Starbucks!!) and read the papers. This was invaluable as it gave us a feel for how things are to live (as much as we could in 3 weeks anyway). Overall I was impressed by the quality of the food in the supermarkets, especially the fruit and veg – to see everything scrubbed and displayed so nicely was great. There was nothing we looked for that we couldn’t find an alternative for and some of the things were actually a lot better. We did a mixture of self catering and restaurants and I did find that there was a lack of vegetarian options when we were eating out – one a few occasions I had a starter or a couple of side dishes. Driving was fine, although we had a couple of near misses with the right turn rule. In the end we got the hang of it, but we still had to be careful. In general we didn’t think the NZ drivers were bad at all, as some people had mentioned to us and the roads were good in most places, although it was really odd with all the highways being one land instead of the normal four we are used to the UK motorways.

So, in summary, we loved NZ and its so clear why so many people want to live there. Sure, like anywhere we know it has its problems but in our humble opinions it is a far better place than the UK, for us at least and we know it will give us the quality of life that we both want so much. The thought of our little acre of land and our journey into Chch to work each day will be more motivation than we could ever ask for to make the move for good and we’ll be looking forward each and every day to getting there :yes

kimandgareth
23rd March 2007, 08:19 AM
PS we took thousands of photos (literally!!) so I'll post some of them at the weekend :)

benandclare
23rd March 2007, 08:32 AM
Hi Guys and welcome home :)

The journey home from work in CC will be Awesome , just driving towards those mountains :yes :yes

Looks like we're heading to the same area around the same time scale too, we hope to be there March 2008

http://www.yobbo.co.nz/cams/cathedral.htm, check this cam out

ben

kimandgareth
23rd March 2007, 08:34 AM
Hi Ben

Thanks for the welcome home :) I totally agree - we couldn't ask for a much better journey to work!! Its lovely to hear of people who are planning on Chch too. What line of work are you both in?

Anita & Marco
23rd March 2007, 08:39 AM
Hi Kim and Gareth,

Great post! Really good information for others who want to move here and are thinking about a reccie trip! And it also sounds like you really enjoyed it. Well done!

A pity that we have not been able to show you Wellington - maybe you would have changed your mind?! How long have you been around in Welly? And how long time in Christchurch? Please, keep in mind that travelling around is very different from living in a place and that in the end a job and money can make the difference, although it is maybe not the ideal location.

But, heya, good luck with your preparations for your move to Christchurch next year,

Cheers,
Anita (and Marco)

kimandgareth
23rd March 2007, 08:58 AM
Hi Anita

We spent 5 days in Welly and went to the harbour, Te Papa, the santuary, Mount Victoria lookout and walked through Lamberton Quay and also down to Courtney Place, plus general walking about. We had a central hotel on the 16th floor so we had a great view :) We truly wished that we'd fallen for the place - as I said, our original plan before the trip was to settle there but we feel a lot more content with Christchurch. In the end, its nothing to do with Wellington itself as its a brilliant city, its simply that we realise now how much we want to be out in the sticks, or at least as much as is sensible and we can't do that in a city. Its true that a job and money do make a difference, but we would live on less wages if it means we could have the lifestyle we want - its the whole reason we're going out to NZ after all :yes


Hi Kim and Gareth,

Great post! Really good information for others who want to move here and are thinking about a reccie trip! And it also sounds like you really enjoyed it. Well done!

A pity that we have not been able to show you Wellington - maybe you would have changed your mind?! How long have you been around in Welly? And how long time in Christchurch? Please, keep in mind that travelling around is very different from living in a place and that in the end a job and money can make the difference, although it is maybe not the ideal location.

But, heya, good luck with your preparations for your move to Christchurch next year,

Cheers,
Anita (and Marco)

nippa&pippa
23rd March 2007, 09:05 AM
Hi, glad you had great trip...i know the feeling, I went to wellington but didn't click me like christchurch...I am also in process finding house outside chch after rent house in chch, but we did thinking about moving south to Lake wanaka as love it there but my OH was concern about job availabilities..:uhoh
Now Lake Tekapo, I got to have a look at this areas, thanks for informations :nice1

pinkpiggy
23rd March 2007, 09:29 AM
Kim and Gareth

What a great post and so honest. I look forward to looking at your pictures over the coming days. We took about 1500 when we were over last year. Took ages to sort through them all.

Good luck with all your plans.

leachio
23rd March 2007, 09:34 AM
Thanx guys, I feel like ive been waiting foor ur reccy post for ages! Glad u enjoyed, will enjoy reading ur future posts!

Amanda & co :)

benandclare
23rd March 2007, 10:18 AM
Hi Ben

Thanks for the welcome home :) I totally agree - we couldn't ask for a much better journey to work!! Its lovely to hear of people who are planning on Chch too. What line of work are you both in?


Hi ,
I'm in farming, altho thinking this may be the time to branch out into something else and Clare's a nurse :) so she will be the main applicant as there are a few farmers already in NZ:laugh :laugh

Ben

StevieD
23rd March 2007, 10:25 AM
Good post guys, I can fully sympathise with your views, but it is a fantastic place isn't it!

vixxann
23rd March 2007, 10:32 AM
great to read your post - we are off on our 3 week reccie on saturday and are staying a week in christchurch as we think thats where we want to settle.

Look forward to seeing your pics (probably when we get back now!)

Juniper
23rd March 2007, 11:14 AM
It's interesting to hear that you found Christchurch more rural than the Wellington area - did you find that the suburbs around Christchurch didn't go out as far? Is that why it seems more rural?

One of the areas we're looking at is Wairarapa, since it's rural, but not so far from Wellington that we wouldn't get into the city much. (Bit far for a daily commute though, perhaps)

mgbridges
23rd March 2007, 11:15 AM
Having said that, Te Papa, the museum was wonderful and we loved wondering around the Bird Sanctuary and visiting Mount Victoria look-out and we would definitely go back to spend more time exploring the city in the coming years.

When we lived in Wellington briefly (3 months) back in 1999 they were just building the fence for the Bird Sanctuary, and it went across the bottom of the garden in the house we were renting. It's great to see (via the Web) that it's fully up and running now. Wish we could have that house again!

Martin

Pip
23rd March 2007, 01:14 PM
Hi,

Just wanted to say that I can totally relate to your post. We travelled here on holiday ( a couple of yrs before deciding to make the move at a later date) and although we had several friends who raved about Wellington, for some reason, it just didn't click for us. We did really fall for Christchurch though, and despite being warned by agencies that IT positions were harder to come by here, we figured that if we were going to move round the world, we shouldn't compromise unless we absolutely had to. So we decided to move to Christchurch and if we couldn't find work after a few months, accept we'd have to relocate to Wellington/Auckland. (Not that Wellington is not a great place - just that it wasn't right for us)

As chance would have it, a couple of months before we were due to move, My OH saw a fantastic job which he applied for in Christchurch and got (lots of telephone interviews). We've been here just over three weeks, and this morning put in a offer on a house about 25 mins out of the city, set in three acres. we're 15 mins from the beach, less than a hour to the mountains for ski season and our 30 mins drive into town is a world apart from our 2 hour each way commute into london and the perils of cancelled/delayed trains. There is a small town about ten mins away with bakery,butcher, supermarket, PO, so we don't have to go into CC at a weekend unless we want to...

I'm sure there will be tough times ahead..but right now, I'm so glad we stuck to our guns and decided to give it a go! Best of luck with everything and if we can help at all..drop me a PM!

marcia
23rd March 2007, 02:20 PM
Fantastic post - can't wait to see some piccies! :nice1

Malay-Coopers
23rd March 2007, 02:43 PM
We had the opposite experience. Spent a month in 2003 touring the whole country and really liked Christchurch and Wellington. Went back for two weeks in 2006 to Christchurch with the intention of a pre-move: looked at houses, cars, jobs, etc. But Christchurch didn't click for us. It seemed to flat, and not just geographically. So we decided to give Welly a go, and we are from a very rural state (Maine) where the largest city is 60k people.

We arrive 26 April, finally!

Sam B
23rd March 2007, 04:10 PM
Hi
I often wonder if I should have taken the job I was offered in Wellington, and it was really good to read your views, because we are definitely not city people and I think I am better here in the country. Thanks.
Sam

kimandgareth
23rd March 2007, 08:15 PM
Hi everyone

I just wanted to say thank you for all the lovely comments and support, it really means a lot to us to hear that others have also decided on the more rural areas and that Chch is the choice for so many people. It brings reassurance to our thoughts and decisions which is a real relief :yes

kimandgareth
23rd March 2007, 08:19 PM
Hi Pip and family

Thank you so much for this - what a great result for you all. It sounds exactly what we're after - I'm drooling over your three acres :laugh It really warms our hearts to hear that someone has done just what we're now hoping to do - even more so due to the IT jobs as Gareth is in IT. I really hope everything works out for you in the next few weeks - I'll pop a pm over at the weekend :)

Hi,

Just wanted to say that I can totally relate to your post. We travelled here on holiday ( a couple of yrs before deciding to make the move at a later date) and although we had several friends who raved about Wellington, for some reason, it just didn't click for us. We did really fall for Christchurch though, and despite being warned by agencies that IT positions were harder to come by here, we figured that if we were going to move round the world, we shouldn't compromise unless we absolutely had to. So we decided to move to Christchurch and if we couldn't find work after a few months, accept we'd have to relocate to Wellington/Auckland. (Not that Wellington is not a great place - just that it wasn't right for us)

As chance would have it, a couple of months before we were due to move, My OH saw a fantastic job which he applied for in Christchurch and got (lots of telephone interviews). We've been here just over three weeks, and this morning put in a offer on a house about 25 mins out of the city, set in three acres. we're 15 mins from the beach, less than a hour to the mountains for ski season and our 30 mins drive into town is a world apart from our 2 hour each way commute into london and the perils of cancelled/delayed trains. There is a small town about ten mins away with bakery,butcher, supermarket, PO, so we don't have to go into CC at a weekend unless we want to...

I'm sure there will be tough times ahead..but right now, I'm so glad we stuck to our guns and decided to give it a go! Best of luck with everything and if we can help at all..drop me a PM!

kimandgareth
23rd March 2007, 08:40 PM
Hi Juniper

I think it was a combination of several things that made us feel Chch was more rural than Welly. The size of course as Welly is a lot bigger and does seem to sprawl out further than Chch. It has much larger suburbs, especially the Hutt's which seem to go up quite far. Welly is also a lot more hilly, which makes it feel less rural as in the central areas you're surrounded by hills that have houses running up them, although I have to say we did see some gorgeous properties with some stunning views so there are some advantages in living within the main city area.

The centres of both are quite different too. Welly is more cosmopolitain and Chch is less so, although you did seem to get a better choice of shops in Welly if you wanted anything more individual. Having said that, I prefer the more local shops so again Chch appealed more to us.

Chch seems a lot more green, which increases the rural feel, although Welly does have quite a few green open spaces and parks.

There is also a feeling of a more rural atmosphere in Chch as in the end, its a town and not a city like Welly, so there is just a different vibe. To us, it feels more like a country town and more laid back, which is just what we're after as a main location. Welly is a stunning city, but its still a city and Chch feels a lot more like a country town.

Hope that helps anyway - in the end its all down to the individual and what you want from a place - and how you personally percieve it too - rural to some people us urban to others!! :)

It's interesting to hear that you found Christchurch more rural than the Wellington area - did you find that the suburbs around Christchurch didn't go out as far? Is that why it seems more rural?

One of the areas we're looking at is Wairarapa, since it's rural, but not so far from Wellington that we wouldn't get into the city much. (Bit far for a daily commute though, perhaps)

speckythecky
23rd March 2007, 09:02 PM
I must say I agree with your thoughts of welly, its 10 years since we were there but after 2 weeks in the south island to suddenly come across a city was a bit of a culture shock, we basically hired a car and drove out as soon as we could, only stopping because we needed to sleep for the night.

Can't say we really gave it a chance and next time we will stay longer.

zardell
23rd March 2007, 09:56 PM
Fabulous post Kim and Gareth.

Look forward to seeing your piccies.

We have never been to the South Island, but the way you describe Christchurch and it's surrounding areas has painted a beautiful picture in my mind.

Hope all the rest of your plans go without a hitch and you are soon in NZ and living your dream.

Julie

xx

LesleyS
23rd March 2007, 10:58 PM
Hi Kim and Gareth:)

Thanks for taking the time to tell us your experiences - my OH is currently on a reccie too, and from his calls home he has expressed exactly the same feelings as you.
We also had pre conceived ideas about where we wanted to live and the lifestyle we anticipated, and this may not turn out to be the case after all.
He is currently in Hawkes Bay, but has an appointment to meet some potential employers in Christchurch.
Can't wait for his return to see all the photos etc.
Hope your plans come to fruition
LesleyS

Debbie P.
24th March 2007, 12:13 AM
Great post. It illustrates why a reccie is so useful. We were the other way around - thought Christchurch was the place for us before we got there but preferred Welly in the end! Preferred both to Auckland, but then again I know there are plenty on here who'd have a different view! :nice1

Looking forward to those piccies.

Lisa&Andy
24th March 2007, 12:16 AM
What a great post it was a very detailed and interesting read. We are hoping to head to the North Island to do a reccy trip soon. Really looking forward to seeing you lovely pics :yes

Lisa x

Jim&Karen
24th March 2007, 08:47 AM
Hi guys we did our recci trip in Dec and have also fell in love with Christchurch/Nelson We are waiting for our blue stickers now and hope to be in NZ by Sept 07 We have simular interests to yourselfs in wanting someware rural with a bit of land but within communiting distance for work I am a nurse priniciple applicant and oh is in IT.

The people on the forum have really helped being truthful and honest and we have spent many hours reading. feal free to pm us

Kind regards

karen

jen
24th March 2007, 09:06 AM
Thanks for the great post - I'm glad to hear the trip went well & you found a city that clicked for you both. Though now I have the travel bug to go see Christchurch!

We've been around the west coast of South Island & down to Milford Sound, but sadly didn't have time for Arthur's Pass or the eastern side. We have friends from Canada who emigrated to CC so we'll try to get there for a look & visit one of these days. After almost 3 months in Welly I am finding I am more of a city mouse than I expected (and OH always was) so we're probably in the right place for us.

Jen

Trigirl
24th March 2007, 11:56 AM
great to hear your thoughts on NZ. it was really good to get to meet you both and having heard what you wanted from life here i'm not at all surprised you've opted for christchurch. i hope you manage to find what you are after there and wish you all the luck in the world with your move.

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