[MattA]

Hi All,
I've heard that some people go to NZ on holiday visas, find employment and then get work visas while they are in NZ.

Is anyone familiar with the process or is this even possible?

[MattA]

Can't seem to edit the original post...

From what I've seen in other posts I should be ok going over on a holiday visa trying to get work (in IT) and then getting the employer to submit the NZIS 1113 (employer supplementary form) along with the NZIS 1112.

Is this correct?
Hopefully it should prioritise my PR application as well at that point.

My degree is a BA (hons) in business with IT rather than a Bsc in IT. Is this likely to be an issue?

[Ana&Steve]

Hi Mat, you may want to give the NZ peeps a few hours before expecting a response, it's a bit early for them!:o
My hubby and I have discussed the possibility of doing what your thinking, but from the States it's only a 3 month visitors visa and I know some people have searched that long for a job. It is quite possible to land a job that way, though, as long as you have some savings to back you up just in case the job offers don't roll in in the first week. Good luck and be diligent!
Ana

[willowshouse]

It's definitely possible ..

Officially you can't enter NZ to look for work without a work permit so you don't declare that when entering the country, but should you come here on a reccie (6 month visitor's visa) and find work you will be able to apply for a work permit which takes up to 1 month to be issued (some have had theirs issued immediately but it depends where you are in NZ). Remember you will need to have a ticket out of the country .. you can't buy a one way ticket. Also, you will need to have funds to satisfy immigration that you are a genuine visitor .. you probably won't be asked to produce proof but they might ask you how you are going to fund your trip and you can tell them .. credit card, bank card, internet banking .. anything you like really, except working!

Yes it should push your PR application forward but if you get a work permit in the meantime there will be no real hurry for PR to be processed.

Good luck! Search visitors visa on this site and you should get a few stories to read through.

Dawn

[britchik]

It's definitely possible ..

Officially you can't enter NZ to look for work without a work permit so you don't declare that when entering the country, but should you come here on a reccie (6 month visitor's visa) and find work you will be able to apply for a work permit which takes up to 1 month to be issued (some have had theirs issued immediately but it depends where you are in NZ). Remember you will need to have a ticket out of the country .. you can't buy a one way ticket. Also, you will need to have funds to satisfy immigration that you are a genuine visitor .. you probably won't be asked to produce proof but they might ask you how you are going to fund your trip and you can tell them .. credit card, bank card, internet banking .. anything you like really, except working!

Yes it should push your PR application forward but if you get a work permit in the meantime there will be no real hurry for PR to be processed.

Good luck! Search visitors visa on this site and you should get a few stories to read through.

Dawn

My brother is over here on a Visitors Visa, he is going to be sponsored by mum for his PR. He has a job offer (not on the shortage list) and is hoping to be issued with a Work Permit, while waiting for his Residency to be accepted.
However, on the forms for Sponsorship, it doesn't say that the job has to to be on the shortage list, or to have been advertised for New Zealanders.
BUT .......On forms for the Work Permit/Visa it says that it does !!!!

PLEASE can anybody stop my mum having a nervous breakdown (!) and clarify what is correct !!!

[Trigirl]

both i'm afraid.

to get a work visa the job needs to be on the shortage list, or to be from an approved employer, or to be accompanied by a statement from the employer saying they can't get a local to do the job.

to get residency under adult child you dont need any of those things - just a job offer.

[Debs]

Matt A - this is what we are doing. we fly in 3 weeks so YES is the answer.My hubby already has 6 interviews lined up for the first week we get there - once we told them a definite date for arriving they have been ringing and emailing him constantly as are so desperate for IT people out there.
Good luck - am sure you'll be fine doing it this way - is certainly the quickest way of getting PR through.

[britchik]

both i'm afraid.

to get a work visa the job needs to be on the shortage list, or to be from an approved employer, or to be accompanied by a statement from the employer saying they can't get a local to do the job.

to get residency under adult child you dont need any of those things - just a job offer.

Thankyou for the advice
argh not looking good !!:wah
Would you know if this would also apply to a Temp Work Permit/Visa ?
It seems a bit mad that you may have to wait up to 9 months or even longer to get PR in order to take up a job offer - how do Immigration expect an Employer to wait that long to fill a vacancy ?

[Trigirl]

that was for a temp one (all work visas/permits are temporary).

for most family applications (parent / partner etc) you can apply for a work permit that is not related to a specific job - an open one year visa that lets you get PR sorted. but as far as i can see that doesn't apply for sibling or adult child applications.

[willowshouse]

Britchick,

The only way forward (as Trigirl has said) is for him to get a job with an employer who is willing to prove to immigration that they couldn't get a suitable NZ'er to do the job... hard but not impossible.

Good luck,
Dawn

[NannyOgg]

Hi Ya. That's exactly what we did. We had full residency 3 months later.

Feel free to search my threads... and others, Hannah, Moorf..., the guy with Jack Nocholson as his Avtar (Can't remember his name!). Worked out well of rus and others.

Please feel free to PM me.

Nanny x

[MattA]

Matt A - this is what we are doing. we fly in 3 weeks so YES is the answer.My hubby already has 6 interviews lined up for the first week we get there - once we told them a definite date for arriving they have been ringing and emailing him constantly as are so desperate for IT people out there.
Good luck - am sure you'll be fine doing it this way - is certainly the quickest way of getting PR through.

That's excellent news. As an IT guy myself (infosec / sysadmin / support) That's what I really need on arrival. What area of IT is you OH in? and what area are you going to?

[wolfysmith]

So to clarify could we go to nz on a 6mth visitor visa find employment that is either on the shotrage list or the list of recognised organisations. Apply for work visa (how long are these visas valid for?)and then apply for pr?
This option sounds more appealing to me!!!
Thanks

[Hesh]

I think going on a visitor visa and look for a job has worked for many people and personally, I'm also thinking of the same. My only issue is I can not resign from my current job because of some professional commitments and just get to NZ.. so I have to come back and resign for which i need approx 1.5 months.. will it be really possible for me to come back if I get a job in NZ?

[MattA]

So to clarify could we go to nz on a 6mth visitor visa find employment that is either on the shotrage list or the list of recognised organisations. Apply for work visa (how long are these visas valid for?)and then apply for pr?
This option sounds more appealing to me!!!
Thanks

Yes. I'm also going to confirm this with NZIS next week.

Work visas can be valid for 6 months or up to 3 years AFAIK.

The trick is to **ensure you have a police certificate**

[hoffenberg]

i am from south africa and i dont need a visa to visit for 3 months, is this true that i dont require a visa? i have got certificates in occupational health and safety representitive, first aid with levels 1,2,3 and fire fighting- basic use of hand held equipment. these certificates are recognised here in sa and we are coming up on a 3 month holiday. it was the best way because i am tired of how the agents make you wait for months just to get a reply back from them. i started the proccess in january 2007 and now its october 2007 and still no reply. i had 180 points on the points system, please help me anybody

[Nienke]

Don't go through an agent but do it yourself!

[hoffenberg]

i agree with you nienke, i think the employers prefer to see you face to face

[Angelonthemove]

We did exactly that got here on holiday visas and both got job within 3 weeks. If you are not too fussy about which jobs.

Once one of you has a permit your spouse automatically gets one, so they can always temp.

Make sure you have all you papers with you if you do this, as its too late once you are here. Work visa can take a long time at the moment. Even with and employer. My Brazilian friends have also have their visa only extended another6 months as he has a health issue on this PR paperwork.

We did exactly that got here on holiday visas and both got job within 3 weeks. If you are not too fussy about which jobs.

but others have come and found it hard to get interviews. email agents telling them your flight date and say you have other interviews already EVEN if you don't. Makes them move to make you an apointment. Get a hotmail type address to access your emails and also they can not see where you are. Having worked in recruitment for my sins here.

[Moorf]

Must you get a job that's in a skill shortage area, or you could you come here and get a work permit for any job? I'm asking for someone else....

[hoffenberg]

wow thanks people for all the important info that is here, so now it is even more easy to get a job if you are in the country of new zealand. when is the best time to start finding a job when you arrive in new zealand? i was told from the 2 weeks you can start looking for a job

[Moorf Junior]

Must you get a job that's in a skill shortage area, or you could you come here and get a work permit for any job? I'm asking for someone else....

i was going to ask the same question.

[KerryS]

Must you get a job that's in a skill shortage area, or you could you come here and get a work permit for any job? I'm asking for someone else....


I did - but I was working in a very specialised area at the time (Educational Psychometry), so there weren't many people who could actually do the job.
NZIS gave me a permit as there was no-one else available to fill the role. I think if an employer can prove this (mine just told NZIS about the adverts they'd placed and how long the role was vacant), then you can get a work permit.

[Nienke]

What I gathered from the immigration website you either have to have a job on the shortage skill list or from an accredited employer in order to get a work permit:

Requirements for different policies
As well as meeting the requirements for all applicants, you must meet the requirements of the policy under which you are applying for a temporary work visa or permit.

We issue temporary work visa or permits under several different policies, which have different requirements. Which policy you can apply under depends on your circumstances.

I have a job offer from a New Zealand employer
We have two general work policies for people who have a job offer from a New Zealand employer. Which one you apply under depends on whether your offer of employment is in an occupation that is in demand here. These are listed on our Immediate Skill Shortage List.
My occupation is on the Immediate Skill Shortage List
You may be eligible for a visa and/or permit under our General Work (Immediate Skill Shortage List) Policy. See the requirements.
My occupation is NOT on the Immediate Skill Shortage List
You may be eligible for a visa and/or permit under our General Work (Other) Policy. The employer will need to show that no New Zealand workers are available to do the job. See the requirements.
I want to come to New Zealand for a specific purpose or event
Our Specific Purpose or Event Policy is for people who want to work here temporarily for a particular purpose or event such as a tournament, a show or for certain professional reasons. See the requirements.
I am joining my partner in New Zealand
Our Family Stream is for people who want to work temporarily while joining their partner here. See the requirements.
I want to take part in a work exchange scheme
Our Work Exchange Scheme Policy is for people who want to take part in a work exchange scheme that has been pre-approved by us or is a government to government exchange scheme. See the requirements.
I am in a highly specialised field of work
We have policies for people who want to come to New Zealand to work temporarily in one of the following specialist fields:
crew of chartered foreign fishing vessels
interpreters from Japan
Thai chefs
Ministers of religion, missionaries, members of religious orders.

[Moorf]

i was going to ask the same question.

:laugh I'll leave you to it ....

Nienke - great info - thanks!

[Piper]

I did - but I was working in a very specialised area at the time (Educational Psychometry), so there weren't many people who could actually do the job.
NZIS gave me a permit as there was no-one else available to fill the role. I think if an employer can prove this (mine just told NZIS about the adverts they'd placed and how long the role was vacant), then you can get a work permit.

So if you manage to get a work permit in this way do you, sometime in the future, have to go through the same processes, starting at EOI to get PR? Or do they say that you're here and working now, we must need you - here's your PR (as if!!).

Piper

[KerryS]

So if you manage to get a work permit in this way do you, sometime in the future, have to go through the same processes, starting at EOI to get PR? Or do they say that you're here and working now, we must need you - here's your PR (as if!!).

Piper

No, you still need to complete an EOI and ITA before getting PR. Mine was processed quite fast, but that was a few years ago now.

[hoffenberg]

oh thats very important info, thanks you guys & gals