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Lupin
21st June 2007, 09:50 PM
First, a few considerations
New Zealand is a small and distant country. For those accustomed to larger, more metropolitan societies this can come as a shock. Of all New Zealand’s cities only Auckland with a population of over a million, about 25% of the national total, would qualify as a major city. For many migrants, our other centres have more the feel of a country town and provincial towns often seem more like villages. If you love big city life, these features will not appeal. Our smallness is also reflected in other ways. The range of consumer goods is more limited and prices are sometimes higher. When compared with larger developed economies, New Zealand wage scales are also lower. This has to be kept in mind when comparing living costs which must be measured in terms of your New Zealand not your current salary. The opportunity to develop highly specialised skills is more limited. Standards tend to be more uniform, with few schools and no universities comprising an elite.

Although new technologies are constantly making it easier for us to keep in touch, quick overseas trips are not an option. Our closest neighbour, Australia, is still three hours flying-time away and overseas travel remains costly and time consuming. Divorce rates amongst migrants are high and distance from family and friends is often a contributing factor. If family and friends are important to you, this is something you’ll need to weigh carefully before choosing to settle here.

New Zealand is a new society. Although Maori settlement of Aotearoa goes back almost a thousand years, the cultural roots of other New Zealanders go back little more than 150. A rich sense of history and tradition is something you will not find here. Freedom from the past can liberate but for some,thjs lack of history can engender feelings of isolation and loss. As a new country we also have our own way of doing things. Our housing is lightly constructed and employs different materials and styles. Two-storey houses, double glazing and central heating are uncommon and construction is generally of wood or manufactured materials. Our roads are usually limited to two lanes and in the country often have a gravel or metalled surface. We are also a do- it-yourself culture. If you want things done about the house, you must generally do them yourself. Home decorating and renovation is a national obsession and you’ll need to take a hands-on approach to most things. Domestic servants are not available and status counts for little. As a New Zealander you will be expected not to stand on your dignity and ‘muck in’ like a good Kiwi, whatever the occasion.

From http://www.immigration.govt.nz/migrant/settlementpack/

I thought this a really interesting and honest piece about NZ culture and society.

Do you relate to it's image of NZ or not? (A question for those in NZ and hoping to be one day)

jaycee
21st June 2007, 11:35 PM
Thank you, that made me smile :)

I might disagree with the "do it yourself culture" - it's more of a "make-do-and-mend culture". If you don't want to do it yourself, there seems to be no shortage of people driving around in little vans who will come along and bodge it for you. OK, I've found some very good tradespeople here, but also some poor ones - same as anywhere really. Or perhaps I've misinterpreted "things done about the house" - do they mean the washing-up? ;)

Yes I think it's generally accurate, but there are a few sweeping statements and it does sound like it was written c.1900. If anything, it's a reflection of how Kiwis see the world, rather than how migrants might see New Zealand.

Andy-Dee
22nd June 2007, 06:30 AM
Damn - no servants - have to go buy some marigolds then!

Oregonkiwi
22nd June 2007, 06:46 AM
Yes I think it's generally accurate, but there are a few sweeping statements and it does sound like it was written c.1900. If anything, it's a reflection of how Kiwis see the world, rather than how migrants might see New Zealand.

Not really sure what you mean by this - are you referring to the part about domestic servants? Remember that not all migrants come from the UK, so while you might think some of the comments are irrelevant, they might well be useful information for other people. It does pretty much cover all the things that forum members complain about.;)

RayBCO
22nd June 2007, 07:02 AM
Having read the whole essay, I must say I hope it is all true...it is exactly what we want !

If we wanted it to be like England, or Europe, I would stay or move within the EU, as it is much easier and possibly a lot cheaper...

As it is, we have to travel to the other side of the world (and down a bit...) to get what we really want.

We are just lucky that such a country exists at all !

Anita & Marco
22nd June 2007, 07:09 AM
Thanks for posting this. It is an important piece of informatin that a lot of immigrants have not read or do not read before they come here.

And like said before there are a few subjects in it, that immigrants are complaining about, but we all have been informed beforehand by the NZIS.

I think it very well reflects the 'culture' in NZ and I have not read anything that is not true, although there are always nuances in a story.

Cheers,
Anita

Park City Partner
22nd June 2007, 09:14 AM
Spot on.

JoHnH
22nd June 2007, 10:34 AM
"it's more of a "make-do-and-mend culture". (jaycee)
Still a bit of the pioneering heritage, perhaps?
There's the story of a British general visiting the redoubtable New Zealand Division in the desert in WWII, and complaining to their commander that his soldiers didn't seem to salute officers as they should. "No, they don't," Freyberg agreed. "But if you wave at them, they'll usually wave back."

Chiba
22nd June 2007, 10:44 AM
Damn - no servants - have to go buy some marigolds then!

Nah. Just have more kids. ;)

incredible hulse
22nd June 2007, 11:17 AM
A lot of the article is spot on, but must say this continual reference to being a small country gets on my nerves. I find it's often used as an excuse for things not getting done, being expensive, etc, etc. There is no doubting that NZ is remote (but so is Oz and seems to be doing OK for itself in terms of global business powers) but it has benefits that could be exploited by it's location in that it can make use of it's timezones in dealings with the US and Europe. It is also isn't too far from asia that stop it making use of that market more. In terms of size, (I assuming it's talking population and not land area), I would have thought it was a similar size to Norway, Ireland and Finland

whiskythedog
22nd June 2007, 12:49 PM
i think this post is a must read by anyone considering the move - moderator please make this a sticky !

Lupin
22nd June 2007, 01:01 PM
A lot of the article is spot on, but must say this continual reference to being a small country gets on my nerves. I find it's often used as an excuse for things not getting done, being expensive, etc, etc. There is no doubting that NZ is remote (but so is Oz and seems to be doing OK for itself in terms of global business powers) but it has benefits that could be exploited by it's location in that it can make use of it's timezones in dealings with the US and Europe. It is also isn't too far from asia that stop it making use of that market more. In terms of size, (I assuming it's talking population and not land area), I would have thought it was a similar size to Norway, Ireland and Finland

It may have population similar to Norway Ireland and Finland (not sure, tbh) but it is also geographically isolated. It can't really be compared with Australia as it's population is significantly smaller and I don't think NZ has the same mineral wealth to be expolited as Australia does, but I'm prepared to be corrected on that.

I thought the quote gave a very accurate picture of NZ and quite well summarizes what seems to give most people 'culture shock'.

jaycee
22nd June 2007, 02:28 PM
Not really sure what you mean by this - are you referring to the part about domestic servants? Remember that not all migrants come from the UK, so while you might think some of the comments are irrelevant, they might well be useful information for other people. It does pretty much cover all the things that forum members complain about.;)

Well, that part does sound a bit colonial - I can imagine it being read by a plummy-voiced 1940s BBC newsreader ;)

Yes, it covers most of the main issues, but I don't think it's well written. Maori tradition and history is dismissed, travel - well yes, maybe not an option on the wages you're likely to earn, but hardly impossible, and there could be many other reasons for a high divorce rate among migrants.

To try and explain myself a bit better (and I think this relates to what Incredible Hulse said as well): NZ is rather like a person who has no 'airs above their station'. It seems to have simply accepted its lot and gets on with it in its own way, with little desire to compare itself with other countries. 'This is New Zealand, that's not for the likes of us, it doesn't happen here' - there's a degree of humility about it, without self-pity, and I think that comes across quite strongly in the article. But I'm not criticising that attitude - with acceptance comes contentment, right? :)

incredible hulse
22nd June 2007, 03:09 PM
It may have population similar to Norway Ireland and Finland (not sure, tbh) but it is also geographically isolated. It can't really be compared with Australia as it's population is significantly smaller and I don't think NZ has the same mineral wealth to be expolited as Australia does, but I'm prepared to be corrected on that.

I thought the quote gave a very accurate picture of NZ and quite well summarizes what seems to give most people 'culture shock'. I agree it is a good article but I think NZ plays up the small image too much. You are right it doesn't have the natural resources that Oz has but this doesn't stop it making us of it's location to trade with asia, allow round the clock support/development services in business for example. The only thing stopping that is a lack of investment in R&D, training and productivity from the workforce - all of which NZ are very low at in OECD terms. Look at Ireland - govt. policies (admittedly backed up by EU grants ) have allowed it to become a major player in terms of location for technology companies.
I'm just trying to point out that rather than sitting on a huge deficit maybe NZ needs to speculate a bit to progress rather than playing the role of disadvantaged cousin all the time

Sam B
22nd June 2007, 03:29 PM
None of the issues raised in this article are what gave me culture shock, I was expecting these things. To me, culture shock was caused by the numerous little differences like not being able to open the gate at a kindy (different child lock) not being able to work out where shops were or what they sold, people not understanding my turn of phrase or accent, not knowing anyone, anywhere, windscreen wipers and indicators on the opposite side of the car etc etc etc. You can't prepare for these things.

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