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Lupin
5th July 2007, 04:52 PM
We've been away from Blighty for six months now and in NZ just a fortnight shy of half a year. Here's my assessment of our life in Hawkes Bay, New Zealand.

Please bear in mind this is only my (our, I've chatted with my husband about this) experience, only relevant to me here in Hawkes Bay, so I'm sure there's plenty that other migrants would disagree with!

The Good:
The climate (here in Hawkes Bay it really is different to the UK)
School. School is just incredible for my dd, she's so happy there and the standards are high whilst also emphasising the whole development of the child. Pre-school (kindy and playcentre) have also been marvellous for my younger child.
Our home to be. To own nearly four acres in the most beautiful village, just 10 minutes from the sea on one nurses income is a dream. To be building a four bedroom home on our beloved four acres is unbelievable. I feel so fortunate.
Kiwis. I've made some friends that I feel I've really 'connected' with. I've only met honest and helpful Kiwis. the community we're moving to has opened it's arms to us and made us feel so welcome.
My job. Wonderful opportunity, very fortunate to live so rurally and only need to walk round the corner to work.
The sense of adventure. I've enjoyed this and have found the 'differences and contrast' refreshing and interesting.
The scenery. I am loving how different Hawkes Bay is to Somerset!
Feeling that I'm further away from a consumer driven culture. Hard on to explain this and not everyone's experience of NZ.
Finding that gender roles are different to the UK. It's quite interesting rurally because women seem both more equal and less at the same time. The same seems true for men who seem generally more involved in child rearing and domesticity than their UK counterpart but also there is a strong male macho culture too. My husband struggles a little with the macho culture as he really doesn't identify with it at all. It's all subtly different.
Socialising at home. Kiwi's do lots of this rather than finding babysitters and meeting in the pub.
It's less formal here. From Kiwi's just dropping in unannounced for morning tea to the jandal culture.

The Bad
Sub-standard housing. Now winter is here I am *so* glad we opted to build.
Leisure facilities. This is surely very Hawkes Bay specific, but I am quite disappointed in the pools and parks. I guess I was remembering Oz standard and there are a couple of pleasant outdoor pools for summer but in general this has been disappointing.

The Ugly
The racism. Call it a "wonderful lack of pc culture" if you will but what I see is a culture where crude generalisations are acceptable and the norm and I don't like it.
Living costs. Electricity costs here are crippling. Return flights to the UK are a quarter of my husband's annual income (nurse). Second hand shops tend to sell goods fit for the tip, not for re-sale. Interest rates are sky high. Personal tax is high (and there's no personal tax allowance). Groceries are expensive for lesser quality.
Homesickness. If you've never had it before, it's awful. Fortunately I have had it before, I know it for what it is and know it's not forever but it's hard for it not to colour everything and alter your perspective.
Career progression potential here in the Bay. For my husband I have some grave concerns, which may or may not prove unfounded.


On balance, I feel we're doing really well in acheiving 'living the dream' and we're getting from this more than we had dared hoped in some respects and yet other aspects have been disappointing and frustrating.

Do I see us still here in a year? Without doubt.
Do I see us here forever? Less certain.

The Hodges
5th July 2007, 05:14 PM
Lupin 77

What a fantastic post. We can identify with a lot of these things. Hawkes Bay sounds amazing. We will have to take a trip there.

Clare :yes

Ana&Steve
5th July 2007, 05:42 PM
Thanks, Lupin! I just love these update posts!:nice1
Ana

willsken
5th July 2007, 06:28 PM
Great update Lupin! Glad to see the good list is very long and agree with them all! :nice1

Can I ask what's wrong with the parks and pools? We have a lovely leisure complex in Waipuk and our parks are great as well. (No graffiti in sight) Maybe I'm just comparing the ones I remember where we lived in the UK and these are way better! :yes

Lupin
5th July 2007, 06:52 PM
Oh yes, they're better than the UK but still poorer than I had expected, but I do think I based my expectations on Oz and on having been to major cities when we travelled here before.

willsken
5th July 2007, 06:54 PM
Think I'd like to take a trip to Oz! :nice1

zardell
5th July 2007, 07:26 PM
Great post - I enjoyed reading it.

Good to read that NZ is living up to most of your expectations and that you and yours are happy.

Julie

xx

nickydwuk
5th July 2007, 07:33 PM
Just the sort of post those of us who have yet to make the trip need. Objective and subjective. Thanks.:yes

speckythecky
5th July 2007, 07:43 PM
Thanks for a great post, glad to see that, for you, the good is out weighing the bad, long may it continue

Sam B
5th July 2007, 08:50 PM
Really interesting post Lupin, and I identify with nearly everything, certainly all the good ones, but also very much so with gender roles - my partner (who stays at home and looks after the kids) is struggling a bit with all the rugby and quad bike stuff. Also, wherever we go, HE always gets asked what HE does, no-one ever asks me. And yet, you're right, women also seem more equal in a weird way. It's confusing.

Also, so with you on the rascism, how many times have I heard sweeping generalisations (never positive ones) about "Asians" and when I try to clarify who they mean, it seems to cover 1 of 100 different and unique cultures. I often hear how white British people are very welcome, but people are worried about how many "Asians" are "flooding in". Also no compunction about making weird stereotypes of the type to be found on 70's sitcom Mind your Language (anyone from UK remember that programme) with lots of bad imitation of Indian accents etc, no acknowledgement that many people speak English fluently as well as several other languages, whilst many kiwis only speak English. Sorry, I've gone off on one a bit, haven't I....

There is much less career progression here. I am back to being a bog-standard speech and language therapist, with nowhere to go really, as there are no specialists, no senior SLTs etc. It's fine for the moment...

Anyway - great post.

Carey
5th July 2007, 08:58 PM
Yes a super post, really honest and most interesting. Another one to show my OH to persuade him NZ is a good place to live!
Hope your fears for you OH's career are unfounded; out of interest I wonder what those fears are based on?
Good luck with the build and keep us informed of progress.

Lupin
5th July 2007, 09:47 PM
Hope your fears for you OH's career are unfounded; out of interest I wonder what those fears are based on?

The mental health services provided by HBDHB underwent some review last year (or year before, I can't remember now) and were found to be "similar to third world standard". The burn out, turn over and injury rate for staff on his unit is scary.

I can't possibly say anything else because this is an open forum, but suffice to say I worry about him at night and he worries about his service users/clients :no

jubjub
5th July 2007, 10:16 PM
Lupin, I do enjoy your "how you are finding things" posts, and its great to get an update.

Hope you are enjoy your new job when it starts, and your houe is finished quickly for you to move in. I see so many houses I like better than mine, that I think I need to build my own ;) just hope mortgage rates go down again before we need to refix in 2 yrs time!

Belmont Babes
5th July 2007, 10:41 PM
Thank you so much for taking the time to post. It means so much to us yet to make the move. WHEN WE GET A BLOOMING BUYER!!!

thirtysomethings
6th July 2007, 12:43 AM
Great post candid, honest and very thought provoking.
I look forward to your nexy installment

migratory birds
6th July 2007, 02:56 AM
On racism and complaints of brown immigrants...

It's happening here in the US as well as in NZ and the irony is that it comes out of the mouths of white immigrants or the descendents of European immigrants who have also crossed the waters. It happens on this list and other ex-pat lists on occasion (esp when discussion of the Maori comes up - the stereotypes really fly).

As an interracial family it is one of my greatest concerns about immigrating to NZ...and one of the things I appreciate most about the US (having access to a public school with families from 40+ different countries and names reperesentative of the diaspora with no teasing or taunting because of family ancestry; having African-American, Chinese, Bengali, Muslim, Hindi, Quaker friends; food/arts/music from around the world within just a few miles from our home)

johnrt
6th July 2007, 08:18 PM
Electricity costs here are crippling.

Great post Lupin, very informative and a good read. I just wondered how much you're paying for a kWhour there.

marcia
7th July 2007, 05:09 PM
Great update!

We were just tlking today about the way the kiwis meet at each others homes, we thinbk its great, and we're glad we ended up buying the snookr table off the people we bought the house from, we've had some fantastic evenings when friends come around.

In fact me and Dave parker (Marie P's OH) are the reigning champs we won teams pool (we partner swapped!!! LOL) 2 -1, I think Dave is winning over kev in the snooker stakes, but Ayton beat Dave - so he needs some practice!)

Anyway Lupin, look forward to your 1 year in post!

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