[mudlae]

Hey! Now I got a great Idea, but don't know if that is possible. Can you help me??
Here we go:

I am double Citizen US/Switezrland. So I could get A WHV, beacuse I am American! Rigght?


My Partner is Swiss, so he can only apply for PR, if we want to stay longer. Right?



What if I get a WHV and we just go as a tourist (him) and a Amrican (me) and I'll go Job-Hunting with my WHV and he's gone try to get a Job and with the Job-Offer get the PR. Whoever get's the Job FIRST, will apply for PR. Now, Can I have a WHV and then apply for PR as soon as I get a "good" Job? Or do I have to stay a WHV-Holder for a certain amount of time, until I can get the PR? What if he get's Job, Get's PR and takes me in that as his partner? Is that possible, although I have a WHV??


I hope you all understand what I'm asking and you can help me! We are flying pretty soon, and none of us has aJob yet, but we're pretty sure, we'll get one (Nobody want's to even read my CV without any permit!!). I think he'll get a job pretty easy, as soon as we're there. I just wanna have a job as soon as possible and I think with a WHV I'll get one more easily.

Please Help!!! :confused: :confused:

[constablechuck]

With the WHV you will be given a one year work permit when you arrive at the airport, you can work full or part time, the only restriction is that you can't enter into an employment contract that expires after your work permit expires and I don't think you could sponsor your partner on the basis of a work permit that was issued from a WHV.
You can apply for PR or a regular work permit after arriving on a WHV, however you will need to meet the criteria for whatever catagory your applying under ie: skill shortage occupation or have a job offer from an NZIS accredited employer, an agency that has a relationship with an accredited employer might be able to help facilitate a work permit.
I believe that a person with a regular work permit can sponsor their partner, so if you or your partner obtained a regular work permit one of you could sponsor the other.
It can take time to get a work permit, if your partner only has a 3 month tourist visa that won't leave much time to get things sorted out, if he overstayed his visa then NZIS would surely deny any application he submitted, also one can't simply go to Australia and come back to NZ a few days later expecting another tourist visa, once a "tourist" leaves they have to stay gone for at least as long as they were in NZ before they can get another tourist visa.

http://www.immigration.govt.nz/migrant/stream/alreadyinnz/visitors/questionsandanswers/stayinglongerasavisitor/whathappenswhenreachmaximumtime.htm

http://www.immigration.govt.nz/migrant/stream/work/

[constablechuck]

Here's another helpful link that explains things well.

http://www.immigration.govt.nz/migrant/stream/work/worktemporarily/requirements/Familystream.htm

[mudlae]

THANKS!!! You're talking about skill shortage occupation! We both fall into this area. But with his education he'll get a Job more easily! I'm a Mac Operator/Graphic Designer ... So if I get a Job, which is not in the long term shortage list, I won't get to sponsor him? HE would have to go through PR himself? It's so hard!! So we only have 3 Months time to find a Job for him!? Somewhere I heard we could stay up to one year?? I allready Got NZQA Level 4 approved, but hes studies are not over yet, hell get his NZQA approved in October! We're landing in September... so only 2 Months to go? What other Visa can we get as Swiss residences? I don't think that Switzerland has any agreement with New Zealand about Working Visas of ANY kind!!

[dharder]

So if I get a Job, which is not in the long term shortage list, I won't get to sponsor him? HE would have to go through PR himself?

Whoever gets a job offer first and then a permit/visa gets to sponsor the other one. However, as constablechuck pointed out, you have to make sure that neither of you is in the country without a valid permit/visa at any point.

I'm not sure about this for someone from Switzerland, but I believe that as a German national, you get to go to NZ for three months without a visa, but you can apply for extensions. In fact, I think you can apply for a tourist visa of up to 9 months before you go. Maybe you could look into that for a Swiss national? That would give you more time to get everything sorted for him.

Also, I believe work permits are quicker than PR, and you still get to sponsor a partner, so that may be a quicker way to go if you are pressed for time.

Good luck with all this,

Daniela

[mudlae]

OK, so you think I should go as a tourist from Switzerland as well, because if I would have a WHV at the time he could sponsor me, that wouldn't be possible?

[dharder]

OK, so you think I should go as a tourist from Switzerland as well, because if I would have a WHV at the time he could sponsor me, that wouldn't be possible?


In your position, I would go for the WHV for myself because if guarantees the best and longest chance to secure a job.

I think it would be worth to investigate if your bf can get an extended tourist visa, for six months, for example. I think that would give the two of you a good chance to find something AND apply for a visa. The embassy in Berlin or the consulate in Switzerland should be able to help you there.
That way, at least one of you will be able to work legally.

Then, whoever gets a job offer first can apply for a work permit and sponsor the other one.

Not that I'm the expert, but it seems to make sense to me to get the visa that allows for the most flexibility for at least one of you (that would be the WHV for you in this case). I know you said before that you didn't want to do that because it would feel unfair to have it easy for you and difficult for him, but to be honest, I think you should look at what is most practical for both of you.

Good luck,

Daniela

[mudlae]

Well if I can sponsor him with my Mac Operator job, which is not on the shortage list, i'll get a WHV right away!! What about the Fact that I'm a US-Passort holder, but do not live there nor was Iborn there. does that matter??

[dharder]

Well if I can sponsor him with my Mac Operator job, which is not on the shortage list, i'll get a WHV right away!! What about the Fact that I'm a US-Passort holder, but do not live there nor was Iborn there. does that matter??

I think you've kind of lost me now, mudlae. Let me see if I understood what you are asking :)

I don't believe you can sponsor anyone on a WHV visa, if that was your question, but I maybe wrong. Others here will know that.

If you have a job offer, I believe it doesn't matter if it is on any list as long as your employer is prepared to jump through the necessary administrative hoops. And if you get the work permit for a job you secure during your working holiday, then you will be able to sponsor your bf.

As long as he is there legally. And for that, I'd find out if there is an option for him to stay longer than three months.

Regardless of whether you get a job first or he does, you will only be allowed to stay once you have a valid permit, and to go to NZ, set up house, find a job and get all the admin done in the three months a tourist visa will give you might be a bit of tight deadline. I'm sure it can be done, but why the pressure if there may be other options.

Viel Glueck,

Daniela

[mudlae]

No, i meant if I could apply for PR, as soon as I gt a job (with my working holiday Visa) then, as soon as I got PR, i'll sponsor him... that's the way I thought I was gonna do it! But He's faaaar more experienced in his job! I do have an immigration officer or what you call it. He'll doa ll the admin for a possible employer! But I just want to be up to date with everything, when I call him and ask him about stuff like that! Thabk you for all the help :-)

I really hope verything works out fine!! It would be such a relief, if he would get a job now from Switzerland and everything would sort out just fine! until then I'm just a little worried about everything!! puhhh! :wah

[mudlae]

Oh...something else: How long doesit take to get the WHV???
I've actually never thought about that until now, that I'm thinking of getting it!

[dharder]

Oh...something else: How long doesit take to get the WHV???
I've actually never thought about that until now, that I'm thinking of getting it!

Maybe this can shed some light:

http://www.immigration.govt.nz/migrant/stream/work/workingholiday/unitedstatesofamericaworkingholidayscheme.htm

Daniela

[mudlae]

Thank you! I found out, that living in Switzerland as a US-american, I don't even have to pay a fee for WHV! so I'll just do it anyway, right!?
:-)
Well actually my consultant is...he's getting all the money in the end :-)

[dharder]

I found out ...

So what exactly are you paying your consultant for ? :)

Daniela

[mudlae]

for helping us get the PR! And he'll fill out every form or paper there is!
I know it might be a little to much, but i'm glad I've got him. I'm not too mch a fan of filling out forms, planing a move, work 100%, have a household to manage and and and...it's better like this, even though it's way too expensive

[constablechuck]

As long as you hold a U.S. Passport and are under 30 you can apply for a WHV online at the NZIS website, it takes 15 min and you could have an email telling you your approved as quick as a few hours, it's saturday here, so depending on how busy they are if you applied today you might get it monday or tuesday, you just download it and print it out from the email, it's that simple, hardly worth paying someone else to do.

As for PR your putting the cart before the horse, PR takes a long time to process and it doesn't sound like your boy friend will have the time being on a tourist / visitors visa, go for the work permit first, then after both of you have work permits you could apply for PR under the work to residency scheme.

[mudlae]

Hey! I coulnd't find the WHV-Links on the NZIS site!!! I found out a lot of it, but not the form, where you can fill it out!! :no
Hmmm... Our couselor never told us abut the Working permit. I allways thought that for us only PR or nothing.... So working permit is pretty easy to get??
I have to call my Immigration agent and tell him all about the things you have told me... I'm not ready to get PR, if we can get a simple Working permit. We just wanna go to NZ, get a Job and work there for as long as we like it. Maybe in 2 Years (who knows!?!?) we would like to explore Australia or south Africa.... We're still so young, we don't wanna obligate us for anything...
Puh! I kinda get the feeling that we just didn't analyse every word the Immigration-Guy told us, hoping that he would know what was best for us! Thank you for your help!!!! you're the BEST :nice1 :clap

[jewelsvani]

There may be an added complication about all this, I intend to take your root also, expect we are both british so get WHV, in this aspect may be a bit easier.

However, you need to consider thet your probably going to need to prove that you and your boyfriend have been together for at least a year before your application, i.e joint bills, tennancy contracts, photos of holidays together etc to enable you to sponsor him. I would start collecting this info in case you need it, you defenitley do if your going for PR.

Russ Good luck.

[constablechuck]

Here's the link:

http://www.immigration.govt.nz/migrant/stream/work/workingholiday/unitedstatesofamericaworkingholidayscheme.htm

You'll need to register for the online services, it's quick and easy.

If your not planning to stay in NZ long term then there's not much point in spending all the money on application fees, medicals ect... required for PR.

[mudlae]

I'm with my Boyfriend since 3 Years, living in one appartment since 1,5 years and we have LOTS of pictures, Flight Tickets, Joint accounts, and so on.... no problems there, so! Thanks for considering all the problems!
We'll I'm already NZQA approved Level 4 Mac Operator. And paid for it, but my Boyfriend didn't didn't do any medicals or other stuff, so not too much money was spent until now, which is OK! I'll let you know, what happens next, as soon as I talked to my Immigration-Guy!!! THANK YOU SOOO MUCH