how to go about a return
marky
23rd July 2007, 09:12 PM
we would like to go back but feel emotionally drained by the challenge. we've no one to stay with so how would you go about the return. all advice appreciated
kiwidollie
23rd July 2007, 09:51 PM
I know what you mean about being emotionally drained by the challenge Marky.
I won't ramble on about my own personal experience, just wanted to wish you all the very best and to say that - yes it is emotionally draining but if you know you don't want to stay in NZ, the sooner you get yourself home, the sooner you will be able to sort things out for yourself.
There are more rental properties available in the UK than there used to be - maybe you could sort something out before you come back. Or try offering to house-sit just to get you somewhere to aim for.
All the very best. x
willsken
23rd July 2007, 10:40 PM
I agree with Dollie. If you have made a decision to go back, bite the bullet and do it as soon as you can. The sooner you can get life back on track the easier it will be. I think if you feel emotionally drained though, maybe give yourself a little time to get some energy back before tackling things. There have been a few people to make the move back and I'm sure they'd be happy to give you some practical advice on the logistics of it all.
I really am sorry things haven't worked out over here. The best of luck with the next few weeks and remember if you were strong enough to get here in the first place, you'll be fine. :nice1
Lupin
23rd July 2007, 11:23 PM
I third kiwidollie- if you've decided you need to go back then the sooner the better.
What sort of work are you in? Do you have something to go back to? Will you go back to your previous location?
Sort these two out and then just start looking, it all has it's own momentum I'm sure. Best of luck to you :)
colindp
24th July 2007, 01:15 AM
I returned to the UK from Dunedin in April, if there are any questions or advice needed please get in touch I will help all I can....:nice1
immortal167
24th July 2007, 12:38 PM
we are moving back to the UK as well, from Dunedin. Actually I lie, my partner is moving back there, I'm moving there for the first time as I'm a kiwi! He is most likely going out in a month to work while I stay and finish my studies and wait for the dogs to have had their shots long enough so they can fly in with no quarantine.
Feel like there is so much to do, my visa paperwork, selling most of our possessions, getting the house finished and on the market, find a job for me when I get there.... anyone got any tips on how to do it all without going completely nuts???
spudulike
24th July 2007, 08:58 PM
Hi, I returned to the UK from Welly in May so if you have any questions I'll do what I can to help.
All the best!
L :)
colindp
24th July 2007, 09:01 PM
Hi immortal167,
Obviously a slightly different situation to us however, we used Penzance Kennels on the peninsula to get our dogs travel arrangements sorted out and they are excellent, have a word with Kate up there I can highly recommend them.
We started our dogs treatments etc six months before we returned and fixed her travel dates so that she arrived about a week after we did, it was simply a case of turning up at the animal centre at Heathrow to pick her up and straight home.
Shipping we used Price's Packers and Movers and again could not fault the service, the only difference was that I packed and loaded the container myself to keep costs down ($5550 for 20 ft Container). The price included full UK customs clearance and delivery to our UK home, we had three hours to unload which was plenty, Price's will pack and load etc bt as I explained I wanted to do this a reasonably as possible...
Did not need visa's so can't help with that side of things....Anyhow hope the above is helpful if you have any other questions etc please feel free to get in touch....
immortal167
24th July 2007, 11:01 PM
so did Penzance organise everything? The flights, the MAF stuff and the paperwork? We have the dogs microchipped and vaccinated for rabies and they have had blood tests to show they have antibodies... but that all we have done so far.
I suppose we have to wait to sell the house before we book their tickets, but if partner gets a job in UK I'm thinking about leaving even if the house doesn't sell before we go.
Going to use Crown I think for moving our possessions, not taking much with us!
colindp
25th July 2007, 04:04 AM
Hi immortal167
Yep,
Penzance did it all....they use an agent is Christchurch for the flights and I'm certain they sorted all paperwork but give them a ring and confirm...they even came to our house to collect our dog, they really are very good..if you give them a call mention my name...Colin Price, I used to live on Lauder Street, Company bay.
Please get in touch if you need any further info etc.....:nice1
colindp
25th July 2007, 04:10 AM
immortal167
One thing I forgot to mention, bear in mind that you have to wait six months from the date of the blood test(guess you knew that though)!
I am not sure what happens if your dog doesn't travel after the six months... you may be required to get another test and wait another six months??
:uhoh
Arclite01
25th July 2007, 11:47 AM
Mmmmm
Not sure that is right about the six months.
It takes 6 months for the rabies vaccine to take effect. You can have the blood test anytime after that (up to 3 years when the vaccine process needs to be repeated).
My vet said that there is no lab in NZ though so he takes the blood samples and sends them to Aus, they send the results through and MAFF stamp your forms.
That was how it was explained by my vet - and his wife is the MAFF vet so I guess they must know..........
Arc
colindp
25th July 2007, 08:50 PM
Absolutely....the lab is in Australia the vet must courier the sample to the testing lab which all add to an already pricey process!
immortal167
25th July 2007, 10:47 PM
Absolutely....the lab is in Australia the vet must courier the sample to the testing lab which all add to an already pricey process!
so far it has cost us $600 for the shots and tests. They had the blood test early June, so they can fly to the UK 6 months after this date, so thinking that we will put them onto a flight around the 10th of December.
I talked to Kate at Penzance and she was lovely and preparing a quote for us. Sounds much easier to deal with someone here rather than me trying to get them to Chch myself. Thanks for the recommendation!
colindp
26th July 2007, 02:49 AM
You're welcome, hope all goes well with your move....:nice1
incredible hulse
26th July 2007, 05:03 PM
Do you mind me asking how much it would cost to send a dog NZ->UK ? I'd guessed at the 2-3 times the UK cost (about 2k sterling medium sized dog) but hadn't got round to investigating yet
Arclite01
26th July 2007, 05:44 PM
Immortal
I am still not sure you are right. The test can be done any time after the six months the vaccine needs to take effect.
But if what you are saying is you have only just had your dog vaccinated this June then Dec would be about right for the test and if results Ok you can fire your dog off to UK after that.
As an aside, my vet gave them 2 shots to make sure because his wife advised him that the failure rate for the vaccine is quite high............
Arc
colindp
26th July 2007, 08:58 PM
Incredible Hulse,
I paid $4500 to get our Border Collie from Dunedin to UK (including a week in kennels) at the begining of May...hope that will give some indication of costs...:nice1
colindp
26th July 2007, 09:57 PM
Arclite01,
Our vet told me that the clock starts ticking from the date the sample is taken and sent to the lab for testing. I
n our case I took our dog for her Rabies shots in October and three weeks after that date the vet sent off the sample to the lab, that was the begining of November, she was then allowed to travel back to the UK early May!
marky
26th July 2007, 10:21 PM
I returned to the UK from Dunedin in April, if there are any questions or advice needed please get in touch I will help all I can....:nice1
thanks: basically how did you go about finding somewhere to live or deciding where to live. did you need refs. it's not so much the going back..it's what you do when you get there. did you end up imposong yourselves on relations. did you have a job to go back to? all info appreciated
marky
26th July 2007, 10:23 PM
Hi, I returned to the UK from Welly in May so if you have any questions I'll do what I can to help.
All the best!
L :)
thanks: basically how did you go about finding somewhere to live or deciding where to live. did you need refs. it's not so much the going back..it's what you do when you get there. did you end up imposong yourselves on relations. did you have a job to go back to? all info appreciated. do you regret being back in the uk
immortal167
26th July 2007, 11:15 PM
http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/quarantine/pets/procedures/owners.htm
It is costing us about $8000 for the flights for two dogs, $600 so far for testing and not sure about additional costs yet
colindp
27th July 2007, 06:56 AM
Marky,
In terms of where to settle upon our return to the UK was not an issue for us except to say that we wanted to settle in the south of the UK, mainly as my Daughter lives in Exeter, my father lives in Kent and my wifes family are in South Wales. I am a Civil Engineer and have worked for local government for most of my working life and with over 25 years pension sitting there it made sense to go back into LG. Therefore searching for suitable employment was not too difficult just got on the net and searched al the job pages of all UK local authorities, ended up working for Buckinghamshire County Council.
Searching for somewhere to live was also fairly easy with sites like primelocation.com, your move and email4property we manged to find plenty of suitable houses to rent, we were able to contact many of the agents directly using Skype and making all the calls through the computer. We were left NZ on April 23 and I was expected to start my new job on May 1, so we arranged as many property viewings for the time in between those dates as we could...until we did find something we were staying with my father as he was living closest to our final destination...We did need to supply references for the home we rent currently but we were renting in NZ and so they provided the necessary landlords reference, I also kept a bank account open in the UK so again they were able to obtain banking refrence without any difficulty...
Do I/we have any regrets......none at all. :nice1
If you need any help or if I can answer any other questions please feel free to get in touch....
marky
28th July 2007, 04:36 PM
Marky,
In terms of where to settle upon our return to the UK was not an issue for us except to say that we wanted to settle in the south of the UK, mainly as my Daughter lives in Exeter, my father lives in Kent and my wifes family are in South Wales. I am a Civil Engineer and have worked for local government for most of my working life and with over 25 years pension sitting there it made sense to go back into LG. Therefore searching for suitable employment was not too difficult just got on the net and searched al the job pages of all UK local authorities, ended up working for Buckinghamshire County Council.
Searching for somewhere to live was also fairly easy with sites like primelocation.com, your move and email4property we manged to find plenty of suitable houses to rent, we were able to contact many of the agents directly using Skype and making all the calls through the computer. We were left NZ on April 23 and I was expected to start my new job on May 1, so we arranged as many property viewings for the time in between those dates as we could...until we did find something we were staying with my father as he was living closest to our final destination...We did need to supply references for the home we rent currently but we were renting in NZ and so they provided the necessary landlords reference, I also kept a bank account open in the UK so again they were able to obtain banking refrence without any difficulty...
Do I/we have any regrets......none at all. :nice1
If you need any help or if I can answer any other questions please feel free to get in touch....
the good thing we're over the psycholoical barrier it's just the practical help we need. many thanks. would you say being unemploed in the uk was better than being in a part time job in hicksville a.k.a christchurch. thanks for all your help
stu70
28th July 2007, 06:12 PM
the good thing we're over the psycholoical barrier it's just the practical help we need. many thanks. would you say being unemploed in the uk was better than being in a part time job in hicksville a.k.a christchurch. thanks for all your help
That hicksville thingy might lead to some fireworks me thinks :D
willsken
28th July 2007, 06:55 PM
Nah, can't see why. You know what they say.... one man's meat is another man's poison! :yes
Moorf
29th July 2007, 06:02 PM
You're not far off with Hicksville - Chch is definitely a rural town ( I know it's called a city but that's probably more to do with the bloomin' big cathedral in the centre).
I've found the people who are living in Chch are here because it's more Hicksville than Welly/Auckland. It wasn't Hicksville enough for us so we've moved to a rural backwater 55km inland.
In my experience the kind of person Chch tends to suit is those that like to be out of the city at the weekends/evenings doing outdoorsy stuff, like to feel part of a community, like the "small town" feel and all that goes with it, can do without a huge variety of shops/stores/stuff, they love the access to the coast/mountains/rivers and are less concerned about the conveniences of city life or the salaries and choice of jobs/careers that are on offer. Perhaps immigrants to Chch and the area are more likely to be of the "simpler life" type? By that I don't mean happy-clappy self-sufficient techno-hippies...
Chch isn't totally void of big business and convenience though!
Anyway, Chch is full.. NZIS isn't taking any more applications.... :p
immortal167
30th July 2007, 05:32 PM
I've always been told that Chch is the most English of all NZ cities, obviously by someone who has never been to England! Don't like the place myself. Dunedin has been great to live in: small but good bars, restaurants and great access to lovely beaches and Central Otago. Am looking forward to new environs though!
We are lucky in that my partner has family over in the Uk still that are going to give him a roof when he goes back soon. I'm staying over here until Dec when the dogs can travel. This way he has a chance to find a job and somewhere to live before we descend on him. Not looking forward to spending months on my own but we'll cope :)
colindp
31st July 2007, 07:42 AM
Marky,
Can't really answer that question, I have (thankfully) never experienced unemployment, I always ensure I have a job to go to before making a move I can't begin to tell you how many phone and Video interviews I have had!!! :D
marky
31st July 2007, 02:43 PM
Marky,
Can't really answer that question, I have (thankfully) never experienced unemployment, I always ensure I have a job to go to before making a move I can't begin to tell you how many phone and Video interviews I have had!!! :D
well it took me about 5 months to get a job (and a part time at that). my first spell of unemployment for 25 years. so not a good intro and a discincentive to return. however, i 'm actually wondering if uk joblessness outweighs nz part time work
colindp
31st July 2007, 08:59 PM
I would imagine that that they would be on a par with each other, I don't really know what the job seekers allowance is...If your circumstances allow would it not be better to wait and see if something else comes along??
Rabbit
31st July 2007, 09:58 PM
Colin
looks like you timed it well.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/3/story.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10454934
I am sure you will miss the bungie jumper and jet boater economy.
Rabbit.
colindp
1st August 2007, 08:55 PM
Indeed Rabbit........:exit
ruthyroo
2nd August 2007, 02:30 PM
Hi Marky
You sound really down about the situation... are you finding life so tough in NZ? The OH and I are probably heading back to the UK next year, and we will be staying with my parents for a while, and are unlikely to have jobs to start - and all being well we'll have a 3 month old first baby with us too!! But we're trying to take a philosophical view of it all. We have spent an bit of time trying to identify our bigger life goals rather than just focusing on 'where's the best place to be miserable?'
Maybe if you ask yourselves 'where do we want to be in 5 years?' and 'where do we need to go to take us towards that?' it'll help you get away from the no job - no home - no direction worries?
stu70
2nd August 2007, 03:06 PM
Hi Marky
You sound really down about the situation... are you finding life so tough in NZ? The OH and I are probably heading back to the UK next year, and we will be staying with my parents for a while, and are unlikely to have jobs to start - and all being well we'll have a 3 month old first baby with us too!! But we're trying to take a philosophical view of it all. We have spent an bit of time trying to identify our bigger life goals rather than just focusing on 'where's the best place to be miserable?'
Maybe if you ask yourselves 'where do we want to be in 5 years?' and 'where do we need to go to take us towards that?' it'll help you get away from the no job - no home - no direction worries?
How well put! Cheers
Carey
2nd August 2007, 10:07 PM
Ruthyroo, do I read that correctly -first baby-? if so, many congratulations! how exciting! Interested to hear you're probably heading back to UK but presumedly baby will be a kiwi so you then have the choice to return some day? Is the baby the main reason to return? (Sorry if thats too personal) Just interested when lots seem to think NZ is a 'better' place to bring up kids.
Good luck and look forward to hearing how your plans work out.
colindp
3rd August 2007, 04:43 AM
Ruthyroo,
Many congrats...how will the DCC cope if you leave... :cheers
ruthyroo
4th August 2007, 05:49 PM
Colin - SHHHHHHHHH! for now anyway! They will survive in some way.
Carey - yep I can see how NZ would be good for kids, but for me the benefits of being here do not out weigh the disbenefits of not having grandparents etc as part of my child's life. It's just too far away from both our families - and I miss them too! We had a good life in the UK and will have again - we didn't come to NZ to escape from anything, unlike many. So yep, baby will be a kiwi and we will have our IRRV by then. Best of both worlds IMHO.
Arclite01
9th August 2007, 06:51 PM
So once you have had your dogs tested and they have their veterinary certificate how long is it valid for ??
colindp
9th August 2007, 08:54 PM
Arclite,
I suggest you have a look at this link where you should find all the info you need....
http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/quarantine/pets/index.htm
immortal167
23rd August 2007, 03:49 PM
well, we have the dreaded quote for the dogs to go back... from Dunedin to Heathrow is going to be $8950. Think Kate from Penanzce thought I would fall over in shock, but it slightly less than I was expecting!
House is getting ready to go on market and partner leaving in a week to start the new job he got a couple weeks ago. Hurrah! We will be living near Bishop's Stortford, although neither of us have ever been there.
Really looking forward to the big move and know we are doing the right thing. Ironically though we are celebrating my partner's five years in NZ this weekend, exactly a week before he flys out!
Hope everyone elses plans are progressing well!
colindp
23rd August 2007, 09:03 PM
immortal167,
Best of luck with the move, hope all goes well. :clap
If you might be interested a guy I worked with at Dunedin City Council is currently doing his OE in the UK and lives very close to Bishop's Stortford I could ask him for his impressions of the area??
immortal167
6th September 2007, 04:38 PM
Colin, that would be great! Partner is over there now but not yet in that area. Would like to know if it is very very noisy there and where the good places to live are! Commuting times to Cambridge and London etc would be great to find out as well, by car.
marky
7th September 2007, 11:48 AM
Hi Marky
You sound really down about the situation... are you finding life so tough in NZ? The OH and I are probably heading back to the UK next year, and we will be staying with my parents for a while, and are unlikely to have jobs to start - and all being well we'll have a 3 month old first baby with us too!! But we're trying to take a philosophical view of it all. We have spent an bit of time trying to identify our bigger life goals rather than just focusing on 'where's the best place to be miserable?'
Maybe if you ask yourselves 'where do we want to be in 5 years?' and 'where do we need to go to take us towards that?' it'll help you get away from the no job - no home - no direction worries?
I wasn't sure if you were having a go at me, but i'll assume you weren't. Job prospects seem low here, tho'' we have a lovely house. no friends (and no sign of that-such cold people). It's just the financial aspects that deter us from going back inc being unemployed
immortal167
26th September 2007, 05:18 PM
well, I've finally done it. I managed to claw together all the paper work and letters and info I needed and I've sent in my Visa application to the British high Commission. Fingers crossed for a speedy and positive result!
This moving country thing isn't too bad, as long as you break it into stages and keep focused on the long term goal. Next time though (if there is a next time) I'll make my partner stay behind and finish the house and sort out the move while I swan off and get a job and catch up with friends!
As for Marky's comments about us kiwis being cold, not sure we are cold as such, just disinterested and too busy with our current friends that we have known from birth. Plus as there are so few of us we tend to know everyone anyway, and that is as much as we can deal with. Saying that however, I am a kiwi and I for one must have defrosted a bit because I'm following my British parter to the UK!
David with a dream
27th September 2007, 11:03 AM
Hi Marky, we moved back a while ago and at the time it is stressful however it's worked for us so far. What we did was to ship our stuff back and leave it in store until we found a house. I hired a car over the net and collected it at Heathrow, the drive back to Yorkshire was a killer! After a week a had found a house to rent (unfurnished) and had a trip to Ikea to get some basics (it felt like camping for a while but in a warm house!). Lesley was fortunate to be back working within a week but it did take me longer, 3 months. After looking at jib ads in NZ it was nice to see decent salarys in the UK ads.
To be honest and this is my own thoughts of course, moving to NZ was stressful and coming back harder but I do not think we could have managed in NZ with out our comfort zone (friends, family, job prospects). We have turned the corner now and are looking forward once again.
I hope things work out for you and do look at the bigger picture like others have said it helps. Cheers.........David
immortal167
4th October 2007, 11:00 AM
hi, me again! so so relieved. It took TWO days for me to get my visa approved!!! So, whether the house sells or not, I can live and work in the UK.