[Nanno]

Help.....

My Mum and step-dad are wanting to emigrate to NZ (they are 62 and 60). I have two step-sisters, 1 living in NZ and who has had PR for 17 years, the other lives in this country.
My parents have been back and forth the NZ embassy 5 times getting all the relevent paperwork together, medicals done etc.
They went up on Friday to lodge all their paperwork only to be told that because the centre of gravity is in the UK they couldn't go.
They are gutted (sold and moving out of their house on Tuesday).
I think the deciding factor was that they said that I had been living with them for 13 years. This is not case, I lived with them from when I was 8 to 17, this is 9 years. Does this make any difference? I am the youngest, my elder step-sister lived with them for 4 years, and the middle step-sister lived with her mum for a couple of years within this time and is the one in NZ now.
Also, speaking to my sister in NZ yesterday, she had a friend who's mum came out to live in NZ and the grand-children were taken into account, therefore there is 1 grandchild here and 2 over in NZ, so that makes 3 in each place therefore there being no 'centre of gravity'?

We are going back up to the NZ embassey on Wednesday, can anybody help or give us any information that might change their minds.

Sorry to waffle on but wanted to get all the facts right!

Also, does anybody know anything about the 'family quota' thing?


Thanks!

[Caroline and Dave]

Help.....

My Mum and step-dad are wanting to emigrate to NZ (they are 62 and 60). I have two step-sisters, 1 living in NZ and who has had PR for 17 years, the other lives in this country.
My parents have been back and forth the NZ embassy 5 times getting all the relevent paperwork together, medicals done etc.
They went up on Friday to lodge all their paperwork only to be told that because the centre of gravity is in the UK they couldn't go.
They are gutted (sold and moving out of their house on Tuesday).
I think the deciding factor was that they said that I had been living with them for 13 years. This is not case, I lived with them from when I was 8 to 17, this is 9 years. Does this make any difference? I am the youngest, my elder step-sister lived with them for 4 years, and the middle step-sister lived with her mum for a couple of years within this time and is the one in NZ now.
Also, speaking to my sister in NZ yesterday, she had a friend who's mum came out to live in NZ and the grand-children were taken into account, therefore there is 1 grandchild here and 2 over in NZ, so that makes 3 in each place therefore there being no 'centre of gravity'?

We are going back up to the NZ embassey on Wednesday, can anybody help or give us any information that might change their minds.

Sorry to waffle on but wanted to get all the facts right!

Also, does anybody know anything about the 'family quota' thing?


Thanks!

Hi
Well I have been looking in the NZ guides and It doesn't look good .
http://www.immigration.govt.nz/migrant/stream/live/parent/canimovetonz/whatisrequired/

They are taking into account all of your children . Read carefully all the documentation and check the Manual which can be found here.

http://www.immigration.govt.nz/nzis/operations_manual/index.htm
Go to the index and you will find family sponsership and Quota here.

I wish you success.

Dave and Caroline

[Nanno]

Thanks for the info.....

Looking into the links it seems that If I lived with them between the ages of 8 and 17 that makes 9 years I lived with them. Therefore 9 years is the greater amount.

The family quota thing looks a possibility, I think I have alot of reading to do before Wednesday......

Thanks again

Nanno

[IanW99]

From the immigration website:-

"...there are no places available under the Family Quota in 2007, there will be no registration period for the period 1 July 2006 to 30 June 2007."

So, unless you can wait till 2008, this option is no good. It is also possible that there will be no places in 2008.

Ian

[Nanno]

Thanks Ian for the info,

Do you know when the next registration period starts by any chance?

Nanno

[Moorf]

The actual dates currently on the NZIS website are:

"The number of places available under the Family Quota Category is announced by the Minister of Immigration each year. As there are no places available under the Family Quota in 2008, there will be no registration period for the period 1 July 2007 to 30 June 2008." http://www.immigration.govt.nz/migrant/stream/live/familyquota/

Sorry, I know that's no better for you. I would assume that the new registration period would start quite soon after 30 June 2008.

Moorf

[Nanno]

Thanks moorf for your quick reply.

It isn't looking very hopeful, is there any chance that including the grandchildren would be brought into the equation?

[Moorf]

Children, under the Family Category (Parent Policy), includes: * all biological or adopted children of the principal applicant and * any child of the principal applicant’s partner (whether or not the partner is included in the application), if that child has lived as part of the principal applicant’s family unit for a predominant period of the child’s life between the time their relationship with the principal applicant began and when the child turned 17 years of age. The above is per NZIS site. I wonder if this has to be continuous? For instance, did you go and stay with any other parent or family during that time between age 8 and 17? If you can get another 1.5 yrs off then surely you won't have been there for the predominant period of your life. Just thinking out loud..... Moorf

[IanW99]

Couple of questions:-

Nanno, are you still a dependent child?

You say your other sister lives in this country, I assume you mean that she lives in the UK as do you?

Ian

[Aussie Pom]

I don't know what the rules are for NZ but in Oz is it sometimes possible for parents to get in by having a enough money to prove independent means. If they have sold their house they may fit into this category (if NZ have one). It might be worth a try.
Gina

[Moorf]

We tried the independent means route but they won't take it in to account. Even when we asked whether, if they commit to have private health care and not use the public system in any way, could they waive medicals. The answer was no. I think Oz has a retirement visa of some sort but, AFAIK, NZ doesn't.

[Moorf]

I don't think the dependency part comes in to it if they're being sponsored by residents of NZ. Centre of gravity also includes non-dependent children/adults you have no dependent children – you have an equal or greater number of adult children living lawfully and permanently in New Zealand than any other single country, including your home country. Or did I read that wrong? (anyone else having problems formatting their posts? I am!)

[Nanno]

Thanks for all of your replies.....

No I didn't live anywhere else between the years of 8 and 17:no

They have more than enough money to live out there and not be reliant on the state in any way, they were even thinking about buying 2 properties out there and renting one out.

No I'm 35 so haven't been dependant on them for quite a while, and yes, my sister lives in the UK.

[Moorf]

That's a tough one. The only way round it that I can see, without knowing any loopholes, is for you or your step-sister/brother to emigrate off their own backs and then the centre of gravity would be in NZ, rather a long-winded route though.

[Nanno]

Will be emigrating eventually but not until my son leaves school, about 6-7 years time.........

oh why can't things be simple!

[Caroline and Dave]

Thanks for all of your replies.....



They have more than enough money to live out there and not be reliant on the state in any way, they were even thinking about buying 2 properties out there and renting one out.



If all else fails and money is not too much of a problem could they not buy a place in NZ and live there for 6 months then return to the UK and rent somewhere for 6 months while letting their place in NZ and keep this going until the centre of gravity changes. Bit of a wacky idea but if all else fails.

Dave and Caroline

[IanW99]

I don't think the dependency part comes in to it if they're being sponsored by residents of NZ. Centre of gravity also includes non-dependent children/adults you have no dependent children – you have an equal or greater number of adult children living lawfully and permanently in New Zealand than any other single country, including your home country. Or did I read that wrong? (anyone else having problems formatting their posts? I am!)

Moor, it doesn't matter in Nannos case as there are no dependent children but this is the following from NZIS if you do have dependent children:-

i the principal applicant* parent has dependent children*, and
ii the number of their adult children* lawfully and permanently* in New Zealand is equal to or greater than those lawfully and permanently* in any other single country, including the country in which the principal applicant* parent is lawfully and permanently, and
iii the number of their dependent children* is equal to or fewer than, the number of their adult children* who are lawfully and permanently* in New Zealand.

So for example, if there were three children, 1 adult in NZ, 1 adult in UK and 1 dependent in the UK, this would mean that (i) would be true, (ii) would be true (it only appear to means adult children for this part) and (iii) would also be true. I read that as being that the centre of gravity would be in NZ?

That is how I understand this rule, but happy for someone to correct me?

Ian

[Nanno]

I've had another thought.........

My step-sister (the one that lives in the UK) only lived with us for 4 years (from 13 to 17). She lived still in the UK from birth to 4 with Mum and Dad and then when the parents divorced lived between the parents the majority of which at mums until 13 when permanently came and lived with us as a family. Could this make any difference?

Sorry to confuse everyone!