[holland]

Hi,

I have been chatting to various family members this weekend about the fact that we would like to start a family in NZ, and two people BOTH said something about babies born in NZ..and I panicked slightly, Can any of you help??

I was told that they 'knew people' who had had babies in NZ, and then when they wanted to come home, NZ wouldn't let the parents bring the child back to Uk...I find this sooooo hard to believe..the other story was that a couple had a child, split up, and the mum wanted to bring the child back to the Uk and wasn't allowed???

Am I being gullable?? Have any of you ever heard of this, I know there are lot and lots of you that have had babies in NZ.....Help!!

J xx

[Sam B]

Defo sounds like a desperate ploy to keep you in blighty to me! Someone with more info will be along soon ....

[jubjub]

The only issue with travel is maybe a visa back into the UK, but if you get them a UK passport then no probs there. For them to be NZ citizens

From 1 January 2006, children born in New Zealand (or in the Cook Islands, Niue or Tokelau) will acquire New Zealand citizenship at birth only if at least one of their parents:

is a New Zealand citizen; or
is entitled to be in New Zealand indefinitely in terms of the Immigration Act 1987(ie a residence permit holder or Australian citizen); or
is entitled to reside indefinitely in the Cook Islands, Tokelau or Niue.


the other scenario could happen I suppose if there was a custody battle...

[holland]

so....if we we're to have a child...we both have PR so would the child be a NZ citizen? Is it easy to get a British passport aswell??....think I need to do LOTS of research!!!!!!!!!!!

J xx

[M&J]

We have friends who have been here over 5 years and have a child, who was actually born in the UK, and have split up. As I believe it neither of them can leave the country permanently without the others permission.

So as already said the problem would be only if there is a custody battle

[M&J]

We must have been posting at the same time. Again if born in NZ but both parents are from the UK the child would be able to have a UK passport.

I'm sure people who have already had children in NZ will be able to explain more.

[incredible hulse]

so....if we we're to have a child...we both have PR so would the child be a NZ citizen? Is it easy to get a British passport aswell??....think I need to do LOTS of research!!!!!!!!!!!

J xx
Yes they would be a kiwi. Our daughter was born here last year and we have a NZ passport for her. We have also returned to the UK on that passport with no problems (she was not allowed to work by the stamp in her passport but she was 13 months so not a big issue ;) ). We haven't got a UK one yet as it is very expensive here. We will probably wait until/if we return to the UK. One difference our daughter will have is she is deemed British by descent and as such any children she may have in the future would not automatically be entitled to a British passport

[dharder]

I was told that they 'knew people' who had had babies in NZ, and then when they wanted to come home, NZ wouldn't let the parents bring the child back to Uk

If you have a child in NZ, and you both have PR, the child will be a NZ citizen. Since NZ citizens don't need a visa to enter the UK, I don't see why you shouldn't be allowed to bring it back. It is also no problem at all to get a British passport for the child, it can have both nationalities without any issues whatsoever.



the other story was that a couple had a child, split up, and the mum wanted to bring the child back to the Uk and wasn't allowed???


This is fairly standard, you cannot remove a child from one country if the other parent has parental responsibility and is opposed to the move. That would apply the other way round as well, though, if you had a baby in the UK, split from your partner and decided to move to another country, you could only do so with his or her consent.

Sounds like odd stories to me, and I'm sure there must be other issues to them than just the dual nationalties.

Don't worry about it, honestly :) As others have said, the only issues will arise in case of disagreements between the parents after a split.

Daniela

[Tia Maria]

Have you seen this thread?

www.emigratenz.org/forum/showthread.php?t=9509

Cheers

Tia

[holland]

Thanks everyone

[K&CS]

I think if they're talking about custody issues, they could have a point. If you had a child and then split up and you wanted to return to the UK and your partner was remaining here, then I don't think you could do that without the permission of your partner (UK and NZ both participate in the Hague Convention I believe).

As a PP said, this is only an issue if you were to split up and if you're planning to have a baby, I'm sure this isn't something you're even thinking of!

Kate

[bmi]

Yes they would be a kiwi. Our daughter was born here last year and we have a NZ passport for her. We have also returned to the UK on that passport with no problems (she was not allowed to work by the stamp in her passport but she was 13 months so not a big issue ;) ). We haven't got a UK one yet as it is very expensive here. We will probably wait until/if we return to the UK. One difference our daughter will have is she is deemed British by descent and as such any children she may have in the future would not automatically be entitled to a British passport

Considering that immigration laws in Europe become tougher you should redeem as soon as possible a British passport even it is useless now but in a way to record at the earliest her British descent.

In France for what I know there are numerous cases of overseas born people in trouble to get their French nationality back because their parents didn't make it in their very young age.

Do not forget also that a British passport will give her access to the whole EEC.

[Asli&Mark]

Hello,

I have a question about it. Mark is English and I am Turkish, and hopefully we'll be getting our PRs soon. So if we have kids then will they have the right to have 3 passports:confused: ???

Thanks

Asli

[dharder]

I have a question about it. Mark is English and I am Turkish, and hopefully we'll be getting our PRs soon. So if we have kids then will they have the right to have 3 passports

Depends on Turkey, I don't know the nationality law there at all. Both the UK and NZ let you have as many nationalites as you can legally have. If Turkey is the same, then they will have three. If not, you'll have to decide, I suppose.

Our kids have three passports.

Daniela

[Asli&Mark]

Hi Daniela,

Thank you for the information.

I will look into it.

Asli