[james the mechanic]

Today, I took the train up to London to the Expo. Whilst there I harangued several hapless employees of the High Commission who I interrogated until they broke under the strain and agreed to process my application post haste next week at Wednesdays EOI selection as I now have a job offer that I must take up in the first week of Feb and so can’t have many more delays.

So it was back to the good old favourite website to do another EOI. You might think that they could just change the one they threw out last week, but oh no. That would be much too easy and simple!

I am now having another problem with the ambiguous EOI.

At the start of section E, you are presented with the statement:

In this section you qualify for points and bonus points, depending on whether you have current skilled employment in New Zealand or an offer of skilled employment in New Zealand.

And question E1, at the start of section E, asks:

E1. Are you claiming points for skilled employment, and declare that you meet policy criteria for any of the following?
* Current skilled employment in New Zealand for 12 months or more
* Current skilled employment in New Zealand less than 12 months
* Offer of skilled employment in New Zealand
* None of the above [Go to the next section]

I therefore choose the third of these, as I have an offer of skilled employment. I then see the second page of section E, questions E2-E6.

However, this second page states, close to the top of the page:

PLEASE NOTE: Your main occupation in New Zealand is the job you spent the most hours doing while in New Zealand. If you have not worked in New Zealand you should not complete any of section E in this form.

Now this makes no sense, as you cannot leave this page blank - all of the fields are mandatory.

Which of these two conflicting instructions are correct for section E – if I don’t put the details for the offer of skilled employment, I lose the points awarded for it. However, this goes against the clear instruction on that page. If I selected ‘None of the above’, I would not be providing them with any details of the job offer, which also makes no sense.

Has anyone clarified this situation with Immigration.govt.nz – what was the outcome?


An amusing story from the Expo – in one of the seminars, a chap stood up and pointed out how hard it was to fill in the EOI and was asking if he would be better off getting an immigration consultant to help. The staff from NZ Immigration said that anyone with a modicum of intelligence should fine it no trouble and should be able to fill it all out in a couple of hours. Our hero who asked the question pointed out that he only had a PhD and had practically given up on the damm thing. The NZ Immigration chap then said something along the lines of “There isn’t much I can say to that, is there?”:laugh

On the subject of Expo, very good this year – however there appears to be less stands than last year.

James

[hammadkkhan]

Skilled Employment in New Zealand
E1. Are you claiming points for skilled employment, and declare that you meet policy criteria for any of the following?
Offer of skilled employment in New Zealand


E2. Tell us about your main employment in New Zealand

What is your main occupation in New Zealand?

Please enter part or all of your job name in the search box below to return a list of matching occupations and click the search button. Then select the one that most closely matches your occupation. Or you can view the full list to find the occupation yourself.
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Selected Value: 12219 Engineering Technical Manager

PLEASE NOTE: Your main occupation in New Zealand is the job you spent the most hours doing while in New Zealand. If you have not worked in New Zealand you should not complete any of section E in this form.

E3. What industry is your main job in i.e. the main activity of the place where you work?
Please enter part or all of your workplace's main activity in the search box below to return a list of matching industries and click the search button. Then select the one that most closely matches your industry. Or you can view a full list to find the industry yourself.
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Selected Value: J712000 Telecommunication Services





I have an offer to start in late november. Above is what i filled in and got my EOI selected. I just didn't care about that "don't fill any of E section" line. If one has a job offer, section E has to be filled.

Hope this helps.

[victoria]

Yep I agree. OH was in similar situation & that's we did. They'll advise you if a discrepancy.

[MaxG]

hammadkkhan and victoria are right - fill in that section with the info about your job offer. I did the same, but my prospective employer in NZ also contacted INZ in Wellington who admitted that the online form was wrong. If you download the paper version of the EOI for comparison, you'll see that form of words is completely absent.

[james the mechanic]

hammadkkhan and victoria are right - fill in that section with the info about your job offer. I did the same, but my prospective employer in NZ also contacted INZ in Wellington who admitted that the online form was wrong. If you download the paper version of the EOI for comparison, you'll see that form of words is completely absent.

Thats great thanks guys, it pretty much what I thought but I wanted to hear it from someone who knew rather that thought.:nice1
James

[marlo]

Hi JAMES

I,m Also A Mechanic Just Starting Out The Process Of Getting Nzqa To Assess My City&guilds Certificates(i Have Parts 1,2,3).did You Get Your Skills Assessed Or Just Go For The Job Offer? And How Did You Get Your Job Offer?did You Fly Out For Interviews Or Apply From Home And Did You Use An Agency?

[james the mechanic]

Firstly welcome to the forum Marlo,:clap
If you have part 1, 2 & 3 and relevant experience you will probably hit the magical 140 points, without a job offer. (But you will have to wait a long time for you ITA) Your qualifications should be assessed at level 4 by NAQA. I did have a preassessment carried out, but it is not essential with a job offer.
My job offer it due to a totally flukiesh encounter with a mad kiwi, who I met at work a few years ago (now a good friend), I will be working for a contractor to his families transport company and be based in Hawke’s Bay.
As a result I never had an interview, just a chat on the phone that ended in the offer of a job.
I have spent a lot of time in NZ and have talked to heaps of people in the trade, basically if you are in NZ and can start work immediately you will find work very quickly.
As you have probably gathered a job offer is the fastest way to NZ; I think if you have very strong franchised dealer, up to the minute training and experience; are very flexible regarding where you will settle in NZ; you can probably get a job offer without an agency or even first setting foot in NZ. If not it may be tough but not impossible. Part of the problem is that the motor trade is not renowned for its form filling prowess, and the possibility of having to deal with government departments scares the be-Jesus out of them in my experience.
As far as agencies are concerned check out Automotive Employment NZ Ltd www.automotiveemployment.co.nz and Tradestaff Ltd www.tradestaff.co.nz
Also if you are a tester and could bare testing all day, every day (personally I would rather die a long lingering death) land transport NZ are often recruiting, occasionally carrying out interview in the UK, they have the added bonus of being an accredited employer recruit@landtrasport.govt.nz .
When are you wanting to go and where to? Where are you now? Where are you working/ who for?
If these anything I can do to help just let me know
Best of luck & game on :nice1
James

[marlo]

Thanks For the info James.I'm currently working for a large Volkswagen dealership in south london.Just gathering the paperwork ready for NZQA and then fingers crossed.Hoping for them to assess as higher than a 3 .Otherwise I'll fly over next year to try and get a job offer.Looking to go to the Hutt Valley and work in Wellington ,but will happily go where there's work.Where are you at the moment and when do you hope to go?

[james the mechanic]

Hi Marlo,
I’m confident that if you have C&G 1,2,&3 they will assess you at level four, I would submit an EOI as soon as possible as without a job offer it’s a long ardours process. You can always speed it up later, by adding a job offer when you get one.
We are currently in West Sussex between Gatwick & Brighton, I have a job offer based in Hawke’s Bay that I need to be starting the first week of February. My EOI is submitted and been selected, we are now waiting (very anxiously for an ITA).
Best of luck:nice1
James

[Motleybeast]

James and marlo, as fellow mechanics, how do you get your qualifications assessed by the NZQA? I think I'm going for the same thing as you marlo, What do you have to do? Is there a website or do you have to send certificates off? Thanks.
I know its probably a simple question, but I hate forms with a passion and I'm going round in circles again. Its probably taken me two hours just to do the qualifications bit!!!

[Hayden1002]

Hi all
I also have C & G parts 2 & 3, I think! Courtesy of the REME.
You have to send them the original certs and any pieces of paper that show the modules etc.
For your info, my quals were assessed as Advanced Trade Certificates, I don't know what you'll get with the additional part!
Don't expect instant return though they do seem to take a while.
Hope it helps.
Hayden

[CJ22]

For future reference, having just come up against the ambiguous Section E of the form (no, they haven't fixed it, a year after the original post nearly), I note that without filling it in, this section of the EOI is perpetually 'incomplete', which prevents you from submitting the EOI at all. So, clearly, filling it in is essential. I'll be putting in the details of my job offer.