Carol
12th November 2007, 08:17 PM
this is the Y-generation (as in 'Y should I ?')
:D too true!
:D too true!
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immortal167
23rd November 2007, 12:19 PM
You have nicely summed up all the reasons why my partner (a brit who was here for five years) and I (a kiwi) are leaving NZ. Nice place to retire too, but need to live in the 21st century :)
veronica
23rd November 2007, 03:34 PM
maybe its not NZ but the area you are in, have you chosen the area for idealic reasons geographically. Maybe you would do better in one of the cities.
One thing I will stress to a lot of the people who plan to come out here and this post brings it to the front.
IT IS NOT THE UK...
it is a different country with a very small population base which means less spending power and a lot of miles between here and Europe, the centre of the civillised world as far as some of you guys are concerned. Yes things are different, especially if you choose to live in a more rural area. If its not working then try a different approach and move to a different area here, if that doesn't work then perhaps its just that you aren't adaptable enough to live here and the comparisons you are making show what your priorities are, did you trully believe that it was going to be the same as the UK but just in a different place geographically.
I am not going to go into the points you have made but can you really find nothing else positive to say about the place.
forgot a bit about the drug stats. In the UK they don't bother booking people who only have enough dope on them for their own use, just send them on their way as the paperwork v the offence makes it not worth it. that alone will skew the statistics.
One thing I will stress to a lot of the people who plan to come out here and this post brings it to the front.
IT IS NOT THE UK...
it is a different country with a very small population base which means less spending power and a lot of miles between here and Europe, the centre of the civillised world as far as some of you guys are concerned. Yes things are different, especially if you choose to live in a more rural area. If its not working then try a different approach and move to a different area here, if that doesn't work then perhaps its just that you aren't adaptable enough to live here and the comparisons you are making show what your priorities are, did you trully believe that it was going to be the same as the UK but just in a different place geographically.
I am not going to go into the points you have made but can you really find nothing else positive to say about the place.
forgot a bit about the drug stats. In the UK they don't bother booking people who only have enough dope on them for their own use, just send them on their way as the paperwork v the offence makes it not worth it. that alone will skew the statistics.
veronica
23rd November 2007, 03:52 PM
maybe its not NZ but the area you are in, have you chosen the area for idealic reasons geographically. Maybe you would do better in one of the cities.
One thing I will stress to a lot of the people who plan to come out here and this post brings it to the front.
IT IS NOT THE UK...
it is a different country with a very small population base which means less spending power and a lot of miles between here and Europe, the centre of the civillised world as far as some of you guys are concerned. Yes things are different, especially if you choose to live in a more rural area. If its not working then try a different approach and move to a different area here, if that doesn't work then perhaps its just that you aren't adaptable enough to live here and the comparisons you are making show what your priorities are, did you trully believe that it was going to be the same as the UK but just in a different place geographically.
I am not going to go into the points you have made but can you really find nothing else positive to say about the place.
One thing I will stress to a lot of the people who plan to come out here and this post brings it to the front.
IT IS NOT THE UK...
it is a different country with a very small population base which means less spending power and a lot of miles between here and Europe, the centre of the civillised world as far as some of you guys are concerned. Yes things are different, especially if you choose to live in a more rural area. If its not working then try a different approach and move to a different area here, if that doesn't work then perhaps its just that you aren't adaptable enough to live here and the comparisons you are making show what your priorities are, did you trully believe that it was going to be the same as the UK but just in a different place geographically.
I am not going to go into the points you have made but can you really find nothing else positive to say about the place.
alan999
23rd November 2007, 07:28 PM
Nine months in, still without wife and some children so not perfect but it was the only way. When asked what's NZ like I'm being the most honest when I say "NZ is how I would like the UK to be like". But that is only my opinion.
But it is different to the UK. Vivre la difference!
But it is different to the UK. Vivre la difference!
wilson182
23rd November 2007, 08:18 PM
Nine months in, still without wife and some children so not perfect but it was the only way. When asked what's NZ like I'm being the most honest when I say "NZ is how I would like the UK to be like". But that is only my opinion.
But it is different to the UK. Vivre la difference!
:( Alan999 .... we did the same thing but our separation only lasted 4 months. Its very difficult
Debs xx
But it is different to the UK. Vivre la difference!
:( Alan999 .... we did the same thing but our separation only lasted 4 months. Its very difficult
Debs xx
boatieman
23rd November 2007, 09:16 PM
Veronica,
In my original post i outlined a few of the issues that I feel are affecting my experience of NZ.
This is not the UK, and I agree with that I didn't expect it to be. That was not what I expected. I didn't want a utopia either.
Would the housing be any better in Wellington, or south Island?. Just read the accounts from the forum.
But there are many issues, such as the high drug usage, that need to be addressed. The issues that I have outlined, will have an effect on future generations, affecting law and order, health and education.
I am looking towards the future and have seen the mistakes that have been made else where in the developed world.
It would seem fair to comment on what i have found from talking to the locals, read in the local press etc, and from my overall experience of being here.
Several new zealanders have commented that there's a lot going on that does not meet the eye, or reach the press. The government appears less responsive/responsible to its people than in UK. They dislike criticism, intensely. they have even tried to ban the program Face off (a bit like spitting image), as it is too satirical.
Someone who has lived here for most of their life in both north and south island said " Miles from anywhere, good control group, small place for a big experiment."
How much truth is in that I don't know but its worth thinking about.
In my original post i outlined a few of the issues that I feel are affecting my experience of NZ.
This is not the UK, and I agree with that I didn't expect it to be. That was not what I expected. I didn't want a utopia either.
Would the housing be any better in Wellington, or south Island?. Just read the accounts from the forum.
But there are many issues, such as the high drug usage, that need to be addressed. The issues that I have outlined, will have an effect on future generations, affecting law and order, health and education.
I am looking towards the future and have seen the mistakes that have been made else where in the developed world.
It would seem fair to comment on what i have found from talking to the locals, read in the local press etc, and from my overall experience of being here.
Several new zealanders have commented that there's a lot going on that does not meet the eye, or reach the press. The government appears less responsive/responsible to its people than in UK. They dislike criticism, intensely. they have even tried to ban the program Face off (a bit like spitting image), as it is too satirical.
Someone who has lived here for most of their life in both north and south island said " Miles from anywhere, good control group, small place for a big experiment."
How much truth is in that I don't know but its worth thinking about.
Myrkk
24th November 2007, 12:33 AM
Boatieman, do I take it that you are in Auckland then? I sort of place Auckland in a separate pidgeon hole from the rest of NZ [rightly or wrongly], bit like bigger cities in UK
boatieman
24th November 2007, 07:45 AM
Hi Myrkk,
No I'm not in akl but in tga, which is the same size as the city that I lived in, in uk
No I'm not in akl but in tga, which is the same size as the city that I lived in, in uk
ourquest
25th November 2007, 12:05 AM
The happiest people are always the ones who don't mind where they are. And we are talking true contentment...not that they necessarily laugh more or even smile more, but deep inside they are comfortable, and they take challenges on with a childlike wonder and excitement. And they see it for what it is, which is different to where they have come from, not perfect, but a valid choice of direction.
As I think Churchill once said (or was it Oscar Wild or maybe even Beyonce?)
"anyone can see what's wrong, but can you see what's right?"
As I think Churchill once said (or was it Oscar Wild or maybe even Beyonce?)
"anyone can see what's wrong, but can you see what's right?"
Myrkk
25th November 2007, 02:45 AM
Where is tga? It's interesting to read the negative posts. My hubbie and I sort of work on the if we can figure what we might fall down on then we are better prepared for whenwe are out there.
Your post has given us food for thought.
We look at going to NZ as an adventure and have moved around a lot within the UK so feel pretty happy with the idea of moving to an area we are not familiar with. At the same time we acknowledge that NZ will have a lot of the same problems the UK has and some new ones...after all it isn't the UK and the culture is different. The biggest difference is that in the UK we know how to deal with the problems or get help. In NZ we will not have that luxury......whether that is enough to stop us from going or from enjoying it when we are there only time will tell.
Your post has given us food for thought.
We look at going to NZ as an adventure and have moved around a lot within the UK so feel pretty happy with the idea of moving to an area we are not familiar with. At the same time we acknowledge that NZ will have a lot of the same problems the UK has and some new ones...after all it isn't the UK and the culture is different. The biggest difference is that in the UK we know how to deal with the problems or get help. In NZ we will not have that luxury......whether that is enough to stop us from going or from enjoying it when we are there only time will tell.
alan999
25th November 2007, 06:26 AM
Veronica,
It would seem fair to comment on what i have found from talking to the locals, read in the local press etc, and from my overall experience of being here.
I have found this too. Crime, drugs, boy racer problems are at an all time high. To listen to them they talk exactly as we do in the UK, and no doubt yanks do in Chicago. They even say "we won't get a summer this year"!
So talking to them suggests the extent of the problem is similar, whereas although they are experiencing the same "worst ever" levels of society breakdown as we do in the UK in reality the level of the problems is that they are completely different. Or I prefer to say decades.
NZ will catch up to the UK in time, unless the rule makers do something about it. After all they should be able to because they can act now using a method denied most of us. Hindsight, that is learn from the mistakes UK made many years ago.
However, although the UK will catch up in a few decades, trying to imagine what the UK will be like a few decades from now was a prive motivator to get out.
A curious thing happened last week, my boss was mugged by a crackhead in quite a leafy suburb. He was in his ute and the guy smashed his windscreen with an iron bar while he was stopped at a junction. It was what happened next that really surprised me. He got out and grappled the guy. Now my boss isn't exactly in the first flush of youth but a few passers bye joined in and restrained the guy until police were called, who took a few minutes to get there. The crackhead is safely locked up and the incident highlighted the differences to me between NZ and UK, not the similarities. Middle aged man stands up for what he thinks is right, strangers not afraid to get involved, no mention of my boss been arrested for assault, police not afraid to arrive before the horse has bolted.
It would seem fair to comment on what i have found from talking to the locals, read in the local press etc, and from my overall experience of being here.
I have found this too. Crime, drugs, boy racer problems are at an all time high. To listen to them they talk exactly as we do in the UK, and no doubt yanks do in Chicago. They even say "we won't get a summer this year"!
So talking to them suggests the extent of the problem is similar, whereas although they are experiencing the same "worst ever" levels of society breakdown as we do in the UK in reality the level of the problems is that they are completely different. Or I prefer to say decades.
NZ will catch up to the UK in time, unless the rule makers do something about it. After all they should be able to because they can act now using a method denied most of us. Hindsight, that is learn from the mistakes UK made many years ago.
However, although the UK will catch up in a few decades, trying to imagine what the UK will be like a few decades from now was a prive motivator to get out.
A curious thing happened last week, my boss was mugged by a crackhead in quite a leafy suburb. He was in his ute and the guy smashed his windscreen with an iron bar while he was stopped at a junction. It was what happened next that really surprised me. He got out and grappled the guy. Now my boss isn't exactly in the first flush of youth but a few passers bye joined in and restrained the guy until police were called, who took a few minutes to get there. The crackhead is safely locked up and the incident highlighted the differences to me between NZ and UK, not the similarities. Middle aged man stands up for what he thinks is right, strangers not afraid to get involved, no mention of my boss been arrested for assault, police not afraid to arrive before the horse has bolted.
whiskythedog
26th November 2007, 11:40 AM
yes similar thing reported in Mission Bay
bag thief chased by middle age man eventually was caught and restrained until police arrived
he was from west auckland and tried to get help from a carful of lads by giving them a west auckland gang sign - they said "naugh were from the east"
the rest of his booty - laptop etc which he stashed behind the police station was also found
so good result and seems to be one of the key differences as reported in previous post - so there is still plenty of hope yet for NZ !
bag thief chased by middle age man eventually was caught and restrained until police arrived
he was from west auckland and tried to get help from a carful of lads by giving them a west auckland gang sign - they said "naugh were from the east"
the rest of his booty - laptop etc which he stashed behind the police station was also found
so good result and seems to be one of the key differences as reported in previous post - so there is still plenty of hope yet for NZ !
ourquest
26th November 2007, 05:06 PM
myrkk; "tga" would be Tauranga, major town in Bay of Plenty region.
craig1234564
30th December 2007, 08:16 PM
Several new zealanders have commented that there's a lot going on that does not meet the eye, or reach the press. The government appears less responsive/responsible to its people than in UK. They dislike criticism, intensely. they have even tried to ban the program Face off (a bit like spitting image), as it is too satirical.
I fail to see how the government of new zealand could possibly be less responsive than the UK government! yes they get reported in the papers, yes they seem to listen to the people, but then simply go ahead and do what they want anyway!
Everyone here hates the government, but still they get voted in, so work that one out!
I fail to see how the government of new zealand could possibly be less responsive than the UK government! yes they get reported in the papers, yes they seem to listen to the people, but then simply go ahead and do what they want anyway!
Everyone here hates the government, but still they get voted in, so work that one out!
holland
30th December 2007, 08:47 PM
some of your comments are true some arn't,it's a different kettle of fish to uk you have to learn to adapt,yes it is hard put possible with the right mindset.At the moment i wouldn't go back to the uk if you bought me a ticket in 6months time who no's
Andy-Dee
31st December 2007, 11:27 AM
Jade - have you been drinking??? Your spelling and punctuation is all out - not like you at all!!
holland
31st December 2007, 12:09 PM
Jade - have you been drinking??? Your spelling and punctuation is all out - not like you at all!!
:laugh Hubby after a bottle of wine :D
J x
:laugh Hubby after a bottle of wine :D
J x
aberdian
10th July 2008, 09:16 PM
Well well. just read this one for the first time after being here for 3 months and a couple of the things really hit home.
Housing. Not a single good thing to say here after viewing many and trying to live in our (fairly upmarket and well built) rental. There are solutions, but to be honest it looks like we'll have to build if we want to stay warm in winter or live with exorbitant fuel bills. Such is life.
School. Mixed bag for us so far, preschool for our girl is fantastic, haven't enough good things to say about it. Primary for the boy is.....mixed. Growth here has been huge in the last few years and the school is bursting at the seams so class sizes are huge (well, 28 is huge to me after 16 - 18 which we had before). Lessons seem geared towards teaching skills not "stuff", which is fine if that's how your mind works, but if you're a fact person, then endless "pointless" writing practice isn't going to spark your interest. We've gone from having a 7 year old with a love of learning to having one who's becoming turned off and bored with his classwork. Still, its early doors, so we'll keep on keeping on until something happens, it either improves or doesn't. To be honest, education is one deal breaker for NZ, everything is dealable with, they're practical problems but this one's the thorny one. We'll see, ask again in 3 months :)
JMHO anyway, I realise other people have vastly different experiences (and live in vastly different places with vastly different schools and have vastly different children ;) )
Ian
Housing. Not a single good thing to say here after viewing many and trying to live in our (fairly upmarket and well built) rental. There are solutions, but to be honest it looks like we'll have to build if we want to stay warm in winter or live with exorbitant fuel bills. Such is life.
School. Mixed bag for us so far, preschool for our girl is fantastic, haven't enough good things to say about it. Primary for the boy is.....mixed. Growth here has been huge in the last few years and the school is bursting at the seams so class sizes are huge (well, 28 is huge to me after 16 - 18 which we had before). Lessons seem geared towards teaching skills not "stuff", which is fine if that's how your mind works, but if you're a fact person, then endless "pointless" writing practice isn't going to spark your interest. We've gone from having a 7 year old with a love of learning to having one who's becoming turned off and bored with his classwork. Still, its early doors, so we'll keep on keeping on until something happens, it either improves or doesn't. To be honest, education is one deal breaker for NZ, everything is dealable with, they're practical problems but this one's the thorny one. We'll see, ask again in 3 months :)
JMHO anyway, I realise other people have vastly different experiences (and live in vastly different places with vastly different schools and have vastly different children ;) )
Ian
Belmont Babes
10th July 2008, 10:09 PM
I feel very guarded about what I say as I have only been here 3 months and well aware that opinions can change quickly. NZ isn't UK. I have found I prefer different things in each country and for now I don't lose sleep about whether we decide to stay or not. We all only get one shot (until someone proves otherwise) and I am pleased to have the opportunity to live through this chapter.
thewoodies
10th July 2008, 10:38 PM
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CHAV - means I have been told (not sure if true)
Council House and Violent??????:uhoh
CHAV - means I have been told (not sure if true)
Council House and Violent??????:uhoh
slider
11th July 2008, 04:12 AM
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CHAV - means I have been told (not sure if true)
Council House and Violent??????:uhoh
Didn't this come from a posh girls school in Gloucestershire - CHeltenham AVerage?
CHAV - means I have been told (not sure if true)
Council House and Violent??????:uhoh
Didn't this come from a posh girls school in Gloucestershire - CHeltenham AVerage?
CJ22
11th July 2008, 06:12 AM
The actual origins of CHAV are obscure, I understand. I've even heard that it's derived from a Romany word.
victoria24
11th July 2008, 06:31 AM
in the north of England they say "charv" apparently this derives from a prostitute connotation (charva)
CJ22
11th July 2008, 10:11 AM
There seem to be at least half a dozen claims to the etymology of the word.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chav
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chav
JandM
11th July 2008, 10:22 AM
I don't think 'chav', as widely used now with a derogatory meaning, has anything in common with Romany 'chavi', 'child', which I've known all my life - the Romanies used to have a regular circuit through Surrey where I grew up, and would appear at certain times of year in certain places. They'd say 'chavi' when they didn't know your name - 'Is your Grandaddy about, chavi?'
Jo Jo
11th July 2008, 10:29 AM
World Wide Words is an excellent website about etymology. It's very well researched, and, although scholarly, very readable. Here's the link to the section on chav. (http://www.worldwidewords.org/topicalwords/tw-cha2.htm) Be warned, though - once you visit the site it may be some time before you leave again as it's so interesting.
jandk
11th July 2008, 04:50 PM
Its the 1st time ive looked onto this thread and im sat here with a big smile on my face:) I think the 1st point is the one in which so many return home is they think nz is a little England! Its been said on here but the fact of the matter is do your research before travelling to the other side of the world or maybe im just smarter than the average bear. New Zealand is a beautiful place to live in my opinion and yes like any country does have its problems but the good parts far outweigh any of the problems.
So in short you should have taken advice from your above average children as i think they could have drawn better conclusions and maybe made better choices than you did yourself!:exit
So in short you should have taken advice from your above average children as i think they could have drawn better conclusions and maybe made better choices than you did yourself!:exit
aberdian
11th July 2008, 06:34 PM
Its been said on here but the fact of the matter is do your research before travelling to the other side of the world or maybe im just smarter than the average bear.
All the research in the world from thousands of miles away can't protect you from the reality if something turns out not as you've researched, even if you're the smartest bear on the planet. And having a smartsy attitude to the tribulations of others doesn't help in the slightest.......
I do agree that NZ is a beautiful place to live but it isn't perfect so let the naysayers voice their opinion without the shouting down - isn't that one of the points of this thread/section?
All the research in the world from thousands of miles away can't protect you from the reality if something turns out not as you've researched, even if you're the smartest bear on the planet. And having a smartsy attitude to the tribulations of others doesn't help in the slightest.......
I do agree that NZ is a beautiful place to live but it isn't perfect so let the naysayers voice their opinion without the shouting down - isn't that one of the points of this thread/section?
Bruckner
11th July 2008, 07:30 PM
Tried to give you rep aberdian but I have to spread it around first. Props again to you for an excellent post.
Emily
Emily
jo b
11th July 2008, 08:29 PM
Its the 1st time ive looked onto this thread and im sat here with a big smile on my face:) I think the 1st point is the one in which so many return home is they think nz is a little England! Its been said on here but the fact of the matter is do your research before travelling to the other side of the world or maybe im just smarter than the average bear. New Zealand is a beautiful place to live in my opinion and yes like any country does have its problems but the good parts far outweigh any of the problems.
So in short you should have taken advice from your above average children as i think they could have drawn better conclusions and maybe made better choices than you did yourself!:exit
This comment made me so angry. It is so insulting. I do hope you have your flack jacket on.
Do you think that people who returned didn't research, visit and think seriously about it. I never once thought NZ was 'little England'. I visited 3 times each time for 6 weeks. We hummed and arhed for 6 years.
Some people just can't settle and feel 'displaced'. Nothing to do with what was right or wrong about the country.
I don't know whether you are already there, if so I hope you never have to leave, if not I await your 3-6 months post in. And yes it is a beautiful place but you can't eat scenery. So in short I suppose you are saying we should have all taken advice from you.
So in short you should have taken advice from your above average children as i think they could have drawn better conclusions and maybe made better choices than you did yourself!:exit
This comment made me so angry. It is so insulting. I do hope you have your flack jacket on.
Do you think that people who returned didn't research, visit and think seriously about it. I never once thought NZ was 'little England'. I visited 3 times each time for 6 weeks. We hummed and arhed for 6 years.
Some people just can't settle and feel 'displaced'. Nothing to do with what was right or wrong about the country.
I don't know whether you are already there, if so I hope you never have to leave, if not I await your 3-6 months post in. And yes it is a beautiful place but you can't eat scenery. So in short I suppose you are saying we should have all taken advice from you.
ellenmelon
11th July 2008, 08:49 PM
Tried to give you rep aberdian but I have to spread it around first. Props again to you for an excellent post.
Emily
i agree with you...so gave him rep from the both of us :)
Emily
i agree with you...so gave him rep from the both of us :)
dharder
11th July 2008, 09:16 PM
So in short you should have taken advice from your above average children as i think they could have drawn better conclusions and maybe made better choices than you did yourself!:exit
I'm not even sure who this is directed at, but I find this unnecessarily rude and rather inappropriately personal.
But then again what was I expecting from a post titled 'ha ha'...
And on top of that, I don't even see the point of your post. How is this helping anyone? Even voicing a negative opinion about NZ might help in some respects, it might help people get a clearer picture, help form a more balanced view or consider things they hadn't thought about before.
But a personal negative attack on someone posting opinions about things they perceive as negative in NZ really is totally pointless.
Daniela
I'm not even sure who this is directed at, but I find this unnecessarily rude and rather inappropriately personal.
But then again what was I expecting from a post titled 'ha ha'...
And on top of that, I don't even see the point of your post. How is this helping anyone? Even voicing a negative opinion about NZ might help in some respects, it might help people get a clearer picture, help form a more balanced view or consider things they hadn't thought about before.
But a personal negative attack on someone posting opinions about things they perceive as negative in NZ really is totally pointless.
Daniela
victoria24
11th July 2008, 09:26 PM
I concurr... I enjoy reading the 6 month in posts whether they are happy/ sad or indifferent as they give a good all round view of peoples experiences. I dont think we should make personal comments whether we agree or disagree as these are the forum members experiences and feelings which should be respected
peebles16
11th July 2008, 10:08 PM
i agree with you...so gave him rep from the both of us :)
Me too :nice1
Karenx
Me too :nice1
Karenx
jandk
11th July 2008, 10:37 PM
OK so firstly maybe ha ha wasnt the best title from my post , and to answer a few questions i have been here 1year and have had good times and bad times. Spent 1st 3 months alone due to house selling probs (it was at solicitors when i left for final signings then fell through) so i found place to live etc and waited.
yes i left family behind my father dying the year before i left so brothers and sisters gave me hard time but still best wishes.
Thats the sobs out of the way i keep going as i have a happy go lucky nature and look at the lighter side of life and the thing that troubles me is that people find problems and turmoil in things that are very trivial (believe me this is deep for me) . I try to find light in a lot of things and maybe read between the lines too much so even the criticsm i am getting here makes me smile a little .What maybe my point is to put it better is give it time and acoustom yourself to a more relaxed less anal approach to life and things will hopefully right themselves.
and yes i suppose i will apologise for being to forward i suppose because people will struggle to catch my sense of humour without knowing the person i am....
P.s but returning to wigan jo b (should have gone to leeds there rugby is better)
john
yes i left family behind my father dying the year before i left so brothers and sisters gave me hard time but still best wishes.
Thats the sobs out of the way i keep going as i have a happy go lucky nature and look at the lighter side of life and the thing that troubles me is that people find problems and turmoil in things that are very trivial (believe me this is deep for me) . I try to find light in a lot of things and maybe read between the lines too much so even the criticsm i am getting here makes me smile a little .What maybe my point is to put it better is give it time and acoustom yourself to a more relaxed less anal approach to life and things will hopefully right themselves.
and yes i suppose i will apologise for being to forward i suppose because people will struggle to catch my sense of humour without knowing the person i am....
P.s but returning to wigan jo b (should have gone to leeds there rugby is better)
john
ellenmelon
11th July 2008, 11:04 PM
you put it best JandK when you said and yes i suppose i will apologise for being to forward i suppose because people will struggle to catch my sense of humour without knowing the person i am.
when you're a new user on a site, people don't know your sense of humour so you often have to hold back a little (that's what i do anyway) until you have the chance to get yourself known...
when you're a new user on a site, people don't know your sense of humour so you often have to hold back a little (that's what i do anyway) until you have the chance to get yourself known...
victoria24
11th July 2008, 11:48 PM
its all clear now...
jo b
12th July 2008, 04:48 AM
Nah
came back for decent football got our season tickets for the latics, 4th year premship.
Just to let you know it wasn't the bad things about nz that made me want to leave it was missing family and friends so strongly that I couldn't settle. With all due respect to men out there I do think it is easier for you than women. I know I generalise but this is what I have found.
Also if your outlook is so good and you are always looking at the lighter side of life why did you leave your home town???
JO
came back for decent football got our season tickets for the latics, 4th year premship.
Just to let you know it wasn't the bad things about nz that made me want to leave it was missing family and friends so strongly that I couldn't settle. With all due respect to men out there I do think it is easier for you than women. I know I generalise but this is what I have found.
Also if your outlook is so good and you are always looking at the lighter side of life why did you leave your home town???
JO
jandk
12th July 2008, 07:37 AM
Basically the futures brighter here for my children , im miss my socialising rugby mates etc but ive had a good time and the life here for kids from the places ive visited is in my opinion 2nd to none!!!
Carol
12th July 2008, 11:01 AM
Basically the futures brighter here for my children , im miss my socialising rugby mates etc but ive had a good time and the life here for kids from the places ive visited is in my opinion 2nd to none!!!
I completely agree.
(apart from the rugby thing....football girl I am)
And that is why I am still here after 12 years.
however.....
If you gave me an option of going back to live in the Uk - AND taking (my now teenagers) with me I would absolutely jump at the chance.
They wont go of course.... because they love their life here.
But try to make light of THAT situation and you will find it very difficult.
Again - it sounds like I could be the most depressed member of the forum by this post.
If you knew me - you would know that wasn't true.
I am outgoing, friendly and love to find humour every day in every day life.
When we came - there was nowhere near the research facilities (ie internet etc) that you have now. I know in my heart - if i could have seen into the future and known how homesick I was going to be..... even after all this time....I would never have come.
Life has been good here. Not great though.
Because i AM all of the above - but still miss my family terribly.
But for my kids - it is wonderful here.
And I guess that's all its about.
I can absolutely understand the returnees reasons when it involves missing family!
where I end up - who knows.
I suppose it sort of depends on my kids......
But given a choice - no it wouldnt be here......
I completely agree.
(apart from the rugby thing....football girl I am)
And that is why I am still here after 12 years.
however.....
If you gave me an option of going back to live in the Uk - AND taking (my now teenagers) with me I would absolutely jump at the chance.
They wont go of course.... because they love their life here.
But try to make light of THAT situation and you will find it very difficult.
Again - it sounds like I could be the most depressed member of the forum by this post.
If you knew me - you would know that wasn't true.
I am outgoing, friendly and love to find humour every day in every day life.
When we came - there was nowhere near the research facilities (ie internet etc) that you have now. I know in my heart - if i could have seen into the future and known how homesick I was going to be..... even after all this time....I would never have come.
Life has been good here. Not great though.
Because i AM all of the above - but still miss my family terribly.
But for my kids - it is wonderful here.
And I guess that's all its about.
I can absolutely understand the returnees reasons when it involves missing family!
where I end up - who knows.
I suppose it sort of depends on my kids......
But given a choice - no it wouldnt be here......
mish&al
13th July 2008, 07:04 PM
when you're a new user on a site, people don't know your sense of humour so you often have to hold back a little (that's what i do anyway) until you have the chance to get yourself known
Indeed, totally true. :cheers
Indeed, totally true. :cheers
julius
1st August 2008, 12:26 AM
I can absolutely understand the returnees reasons when it involves missing family!
So, not having family nor contacts with any other relatives (except my own kids&wife) here should not be a reason for me.
What I found out, this is common reason for returning, especially for women.
Was any of you guys in a situation, let's say decision point, where one of you wanted to stay/go, but your partner just the opposite. How did you handle this?
So, not having family nor contacts with any other relatives (except my own kids&wife) here should not be a reason for me.
What I found out, this is common reason for returning, especially for women.
Was any of you guys in a situation, let's say decision point, where one of you wanted to stay/go, but your partner just the opposite. How did you handle this?
Rabbit
1st August 2008, 07:45 AM
We went through something like this, though I think it may be a simplistic (black and white view) to say one person wants to stay and the other does not.
I would put it another way, one person sees more strengths or benefits in staying than the other, without either option (staying or going) being a bed of roses.
One partner may have a satisfying career in NZ or social life and the other not.
For those whose preference is for staying, the choice is perhaps staying and/or potentially loosing the relationship with a spouse?
So this can boil down too, what is the most important, the relationship or the place that you are in and the implications of going back or staying, together with the compromises people are prepared to make for the sake of the relationship or someone else’s happiness?
A very complex subject - worthy of discussion, as I am sure it happens allot.
All part of dealing with tough choices and making decisions - not easy.
Rabbit
I would put it another way, one person sees more strengths or benefits in staying than the other, without either option (staying or going) being a bed of roses.
One partner may have a satisfying career in NZ or social life and the other not.
For those whose preference is for staying, the choice is perhaps staying and/or potentially loosing the relationship with a spouse?
So this can boil down too, what is the most important, the relationship or the place that you are in and the implications of going back or staying, together with the compromises people are prepared to make for the sake of the relationship or someone else’s happiness?
A very complex subject - worthy of discussion, as I am sure it happens allot.
All part of dealing with tough choices and making decisions - not easy.
Rabbit
SharpBlade
1st August 2008, 09:26 AM
So this can boil down too, what is the most important, the relationship or the place that you are in and the implications of going back or staying, together with the compromises people are prepared to make for the sake of the relationship or someone else’s happiness?
Rabbit
I was VERY happy in Ireland but my husband wanted to move and to see other things. His job was ok but not very interesting and that was a big factor for moving abroad. I have always said to him that I wasn't 100% happy with the move and would probably never be (I still miss our little place back home) but as you said, we had reached a point where one of us had to compromise for the sake of the other's happiness. I think we also both fancied the idea of trying something new.
Three years later, here we are in Chch.
He said he would compromise too if I was really unhappy but I guess at this stage, it is too late to go back, the kids are used to the place etc..
The compromise was hard on me at first but I coped well enough and I remind myself every day how lucky I am, even if it is not in the exact right place for me.
Laura
Rabbit
I was VERY happy in Ireland but my husband wanted to move and to see other things. His job was ok but not very interesting and that was a big factor for moving abroad. I have always said to him that I wasn't 100% happy with the move and would probably never be (I still miss our little place back home) but as you said, we had reached a point where one of us had to compromise for the sake of the other's happiness. I think we also both fancied the idea of trying something new.
Three years later, here we are in Chch.
He said he would compromise too if I was really unhappy but I guess at this stage, it is too late to go back, the kids are used to the place etc..
The compromise was hard on me at first but I coped well enough and I remind myself every day how lucky I am, even if it is not in the exact right place for me.
Laura
Moorf
1st August 2008, 04:52 PM
Pssst... this topic would make a brilliant thread in its own right... ;)
Radders
13th August 2008, 09:04 PM
hahaha ... objective, are you kidding?
Sorry, I'll be a little more constructive...
As far as the poison stuff goes, you jnust wouldn't hear about it in the Uk, no one would know. It's a country based on agriculture, if you live in a rural environment like Te Puke then that's what you get. It would be the same if you lived in a similar environment in the Uk. Tauranga stopped spraying the feilds with chemicals thanks to the local spray watch organisation, and public opinion.
As far as crime and drugs go you are cherry picking. This is front page news here, but wouldn't make the local rag in the uk
Acc - well you could say the same for 3rd party insurance in the uk
Debate - when I see a rastafarian raging against the man and the shackles of his watch in the houses of parliment, I'll beleive it better in the UK
domestic violence - happens everywhere, at least kiwi's are doing something about it
recycling - it 's been a few years since I was in the uk, but as far as I know, you can't even get your empty cans and bottles picked up over there
Housing - NZ's have woken up, and it is improving but will take time
Oomph? NZ should be asking where's yours. This country has heaps to offer, you just have to get out there and experience it. That's not always easy, but always rewarding
Good luck
Sorry, I'll be a little more constructive...
As far as the poison stuff goes, you jnust wouldn't hear about it in the Uk, no one would know. It's a country based on agriculture, if you live in a rural environment like Te Puke then that's what you get. It would be the same if you lived in a similar environment in the Uk. Tauranga stopped spraying the feilds with chemicals thanks to the local spray watch organisation, and public opinion.
As far as crime and drugs go you are cherry picking. This is front page news here, but wouldn't make the local rag in the uk
Acc - well you could say the same for 3rd party insurance in the uk
Debate - when I see a rastafarian raging against the man and the shackles of his watch in the houses of parliment, I'll beleive it better in the UK
domestic violence - happens everywhere, at least kiwi's are doing something about it
recycling - it 's been a few years since I was in the uk, but as far as I know, you can't even get your empty cans and bottles picked up over there
Housing - NZ's have woken up, and it is improving but will take time
Oomph? NZ should be asking where's yours. This country has heaps to offer, you just have to get out there and experience it. That's not always easy, but always rewarding
Good luck
benandclare
13th August 2008, 09:40 PM
As far as the poison stuff goes, you jnust wouldn't hear about it in the Uk, no one would know. It's a country based on agriculture, if you live in a rural environment like Te Puke then that's what you get. It would be the same if you lived in a similar environment in the Uk. Tauranga stopped spraying the feilds with chemicals thanks to the local spray watch organisation, and public opinion.
Just wondering , as dont know the area, what sort of farming is there and what are they doing instead of spraying?
Just wondering , as dont know the area, what sort of farming is there and what are they doing instead of spraying?
benandclare
13th August 2008, 09:42 PM
environmental Friendliness.
The local council has sprayed the local playing fields, to stop earthworm casts, with a toxic chemical that is banned to farmers and has been banned in the EU for 30 years due to its carcinogenic properties. This playing field is used by schools and the general public daily.
Bop is a big fruit growing area, but fruit growing seems to come before the health of the locals. Hence the cloud of spray that comes up from Te Puke at the end of August, causing many urti's.
?
Was just wondering , which chemical was that the local council were using?
The local council has sprayed the local playing fields, to stop earthworm casts, with a toxic chemical that is banned to farmers and has been banned in the EU for 30 years due to its carcinogenic properties. This playing field is used by schools and the general public daily.
Bop is a big fruit growing area, but fruit growing seems to come before the health of the locals. Hence the cloud of spray that comes up from Te Puke at the end of August, causing many urti's.
?
Was just wondering , which chemical was that the local council were using?
incredible hulse
13th August 2008, 09:50 PM
hahaha ... objective, are you kidding?
recycling - it 's been a few years since I was in the uk, but as far as I know, even get your empty cans and bottles picked up over there
Must have been a few years, they were collecting ours 4 years ago. Started doing in Pram 4 weeks ago
recycling - it 's been a few years since I was in the uk, but as far as I know, even get your empty cans and bottles picked up over there
Must have been a few years, they were collecting ours 4 years ago. Started doing in Pram 4 weeks ago
julius
14th August 2008, 06:19 PM
I strongly recommend austrian documentary directed by Nikolaus Geyrhalter Unser täglich Brot (http://www.unsertaeglichbrot.at/jart/projects/utb/website.jart?rel=en) (Our daily bread) for all those thinking how we eat. There are no subtitles needed, since pictures say more then enough.
Here is IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0765849/) link.
I think, I've lost some kilos since I saw this film.
I would say, in NZ you at least see how they are spraying, here you can't see anything and neither do veggies see any soil or animals sun :uhoh
Here is IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0765849/) link.
I think, I've lost some kilos since I saw this film.
I would say, in NZ you at least see how they are spraying, here you can't see anything and neither do veggies see any soil or animals sun :uhoh
Radders
14th August 2008, 09:25 PM
Hi, the spray in question was Thiodan, with the active ingredient being endoslfan. It's a nasty chemical, banned in various country's. Used in NZ to control worms.
The BOP area round Te Puke is mainly kiwi fruit (green & gold) and avocados. The kiwi fruit especially are sprayed routinely. No one hides this fact, it's just that being a rural country, too many people still live near the productive areas.
You can get lists of when spraying happens like this one taken from BD MAX
KIWIFRUIT SPRAY PROGRAM
DATE SPRAY OUTCOME
July middle Etherics 1000 Roots
August
September
Gold 1st, 8th, 29th ThermoMax Frost
Green 20th, 27th ThermoMax Frost
Insect peppers
Gold 1st 8th BirdScare Birds
October 17th Etherics 1000 Balance
Gold 20th ThermoMax Frost
Green 18th ThermoMax Frost
x1 monthly PhotoMax Light
Insect peppers
They give you the date, what fruit, what spray, and what they are targetting.
It's not great, no one like's it but that is what consumers want, perfect fruit. They have been doing it for years, if you research an area you would find out these sorts of things.
The BOP area round Te Puke is mainly kiwi fruit (green & gold) and avocados. The kiwi fruit especially are sprayed routinely. No one hides this fact, it's just that being a rural country, too many people still live near the productive areas.
You can get lists of when spraying happens like this one taken from BD MAX
KIWIFRUIT SPRAY PROGRAM
DATE SPRAY OUTCOME
July middle Etherics 1000 Roots
August
September
Gold 1st, 8th, 29th ThermoMax Frost
Green 20th, 27th ThermoMax Frost
Insect peppers
Gold 1st 8th BirdScare Birds
October 17th Etherics 1000 Balance
Gold 20th ThermoMax Frost
Green 18th ThermoMax Frost
x1 monthly PhotoMax Light
Insect peppers
They give you the date, what fruit, what spray, and what they are targetting.
It's not great, no one like's it but that is what consumers want, perfect fruit. They have been doing it for years, if you research an area you would find out these sorts of things.
benandclare
14th August 2008, 09:51 PM
They give you the date, what fruit, what spray, and what they are targetting.
It's not great, no one like's it but that is what consumers want, perfect fruit. They have been doing it for years, if you research an area you would find out these sorts of things.
It's a heck of a lot more pro active compared to the UK.
As some one who was involved in crop spraying back in the UK all we had to do was maybe let the neighbours know we might be spraying next to their property tomorrow and no need to inform them what we were applying.
Having said that as I was always happy to let them know if it was going to be anything "nasty" going onto the crop. As an arable farm not very often.......
Alas it's a fact of life to have "Cheap food" it has to be grown conventionally and that means protection from diseases and pests.
Here as in the UK crop sprayers have to be certified but here IMHO the standards are not as high as in the UK.
It's not great, no one like's it but that is what consumers want, perfect fruit. They have been doing it for years, if you research an area you would find out these sorts of things.
It's a heck of a lot more pro active compared to the UK.
As some one who was involved in crop spraying back in the UK all we had to do was maybe let the neighbours know we might be spraying next to their property tomorrow and no need to inform them what we were applying.
Having said that as I was always happy to let them know if it was going to be anything "nasty" going onto the crop. As an arable farm not very often.......
Alas it's a fact of life to have "Cheap food" it has to be grown conventionally and that means protection from diseases and pests.
Here as in the UK crop sprayers have to be certified but here IMHO the standards are not as high as in the UK.
boatieman
15th August 2008, 10:45 AM
So this still does not really answer why it is necessary to spay a sports field, that is used by local schools,with a banned chemical, that has been proven to be carcinogenic and mutagenic. Which has an active half life of 6 years. does it!
Check this out:
http://www.ejfoundation.org/pdf/end_of_the_road.pdf
Tauranga city have not stopped spraying. Infact they did for a while, but now they have re commenced spraying all public places, as thay found the organic methods of control too expensive. That was in the BOP times in march.
On building
As a kiwi builder about flashings they just do'nt get the concept. Whereas the Romans could cope very well , infact they invented them!
Check this out:
http://www.ejfoundation.org/pdf/end_of_the_road.pdf
Tauranga city have not stopped spraying. Infact they did for a while, but now they have re commenced spraying all public places, as thay found the organic methods of control too expensive. That was in the BOP times in march.
On building
As a kiwi builder about flashings they just do'nt get the concept. Whereas the Romans could cope very well , infact they invented them!
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