[Bernadette]

My two sons (20mths and 4.5 yrs) both have goats milk instead of cows milk. Is it easy to obtain in NZ?

Thanks berni

[shakyle2906]

Got to admit i havent seen it..............

I am going shopping today - will try and have look and let you know.

I would think that they should supply it somewhere ??

Sharon

[nippa&pippa]

Yes I have seen goat milk in NZ as well as rice milk, soya milk etc in main supermarkets.

[Lupin]

You should find it fresh in all but the smaller store where it tends to be longlife :)

[ourquest]

as well as rice milk,

Is this an imported rice milk (we get one imported from the US) or made locally in NZ? Anyone know the price and availability of it?

[Smiler]

I have only ever found full and low fat UHT goats milk despite a 2 year search for low fat fresh goats milk.

So I'd be grateful if anyone can let me know if there is a supplier of the stuff please. :nice1

[shakyle2906]

Hiya

Has as much of a look as i coulod when out doing food shop yesterday and could see nothing in chillers. It seems you may be able to get long life if youre lucky........

Sorry couldnt be more positive!

Sharon
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[nippa&pippa]

Is this an imported rice milk (we get one imported from the US) or made locally in NZ? Anyone know the price and availability of it?

sorry for delay, just saw it..
I am currently on rice milk for my baby's sake.
Depend on what brand, what type of rice milk, organic or not, vitamin added, calcium added, protien added or plain rice milk etc you can buy, the price is varied from $2.50 to $5.
The rice milks I have been used is imported from USA. I have not see any NZ's made rice milk.
They are easy available in any supermarkets or mini supermarkets like 4corner or supersaver, but you may stuggling to find in dairy shop.
Hope that help

[migratory birds]

While visiting NZ Nov 2007 there was an article on A1/A2 milk. I forget which was which - but the more commonly available milk is from cows bred to have the A1 or A2 gene because they produce more milk if they carry this gene.

BUT there is thought to be a link between milk from cows with this gene and diabetes, milk allergies and other possibly dairy related health issues.

There is some movement amongst dairy farmers to bring back milkers with the other gene because it is thought not to be linked with cow's milk-related diseases. Several of the natural food markets we stopped in at had signs stating they carried A1 (or A2) milk.

Which is it? Have any of you moms been following this?

It'll be interesting to see in the next 20 years what happens with milk-related diseases as more milk from these gals is available .

[IanW99]

Can't answer your question but can say that A1 milk is the more common (maybe not so good) and A2 milk is the preferred choice (costs more).

Ian

[ourquest]

Depend on what brand, what type of rice milk, organic or not, vitamin added, calcium added, protien added or plain rice milk etc you can buy, the price is varied from $2.50 to $5.
The rice milks I have been used is imported from USA. I have not see any NZ's made rice milk.
They are easy available in any supermarkets or mini supermarkets like 4corner or supersaver, but you may stuggling to find in dairy shop.

Thanks Sophia for your effort, and for the pm. This info helps me a lot. My oldest son has an allergy which is made much worse by cow's milk, and rice milk has been providing him with a solution here, and it is good to know we can continue using it in NZ.
All the best for 2008.:nice1

[migratory birds]

Can't answer your question but can say that A1 milk is the more common (maybe not so good) and A2 milk is the preferred choice (costs more).

Ian

Sounds like it was A1 milk that may (or may not) be linked with allergies, eczema, diabetes, etc.

Some of my paediatric patients who have not been able to tolerate pastuerized cow or goat milk, have done great on raw cow milk with no sign of any problems previously associated with pastuerized cow/goat milk.

But raw milk is hard to come by in many industrialized countries (incl NZ) - perhaps pastuerized A2 milk would go over well with some of these kids.

[ourquest]

Some of my paediatric patients who have not been able to tolerate pastuerized cow or goat milk, have done great on raw cow milk with no sign of any problems previously associated with pastuerized cow/goat milk.


Boiling the milk prior to consumption appears to counter some of the allergy issues, particularly the tendency to produce mucus (which in my son's case is primarily caused by dustmite allergy, but strongly accentuated by milk (and other dairy) intake. I do not know if boiling has any benefit for lactose intolerant users?

[dilanium]

I do not know if boiling has any benefit for lactose intolerant users?

As far as I know boiling will not denature the lactose or break it down such that lactose intolerant people can ingest it. Generally sugars are very resistant to heat.

The only way to deal with lactose at home is to beak it down using lactase (the enzyme that breaks lactose down into galactose and glucose, and allows people to digest it), or avoid it.

[Wahlet]

For what it's worth:

(I use "cow" here, but in fact this could refer to milk from any any animal)

The enzymes, bacteria, etc, needed to digest milk are present in raw milk. Pasteurization kills them, and may make the milk harder to digest, which can lead to allergies, intolerance, etc. Raw milk from healthy (cannot emphasize that word healthy enough) cattle, when handled with good hygiene, is perfectly safe, eliminating the need for pasteurization. Most outbreaks of illness from milk consumption originate from pasteurized milk.

Unfortunately (it's a long story), NZ has laws that restrict the sale of raw milk. Quite similar to my home country, the United States. See the NZ gov take on it at http://www.nzfsa.govt.nz/dairy/publications/information-pamphlets/rawmilk/rawmilk.htm . You can purchase up to 5L at a time of raw milk directly from a farmer. Perhaps not a realistic proposition for those living in a city. However, there are clever ways to get around this, such as "cow shares" where you purchase a "share" in a cow, and thus when the dairy milks the cow and gives you the milk, you are not buying it, you are getting it from your own cow.

Highly recommended: http://www.realmilk.com/ - you can find sources of raw milk in NZ here.

Another reference: http://www.nzfsa.govt.nz/science/research-projects/pasteurisation-of-dairy-products/index.htm

-David

[craddweb]

Hi Berni

I had exactly the same dilemma as two of my children and my husband drink goats milk. All we could find was long life goats milk in cartons which are readily available from all the supermarkets. They have switched without a problem. I haven't found any fresh goats milk anywhere. There are also quite a few goats milk cheeses.

Hope that helps
Debbie

My two sons (20mths and 4.5 yrs) both have goats milk instead of cows milk. Is it easy to obtain in NZ?

Thanks berni