[thekiwibarkers]

Hi all

We\re currently in Christchurch looking to purchase a car and wondered if anyone had any advice on what type of vehicle is a good bet to go for..

We're looking at a budget around $5k to $7k and need something with a bit of space.

We've looked at a Subaru Legacy - anyone got one?...

Also, looked at a Toyota Surf as seem pretty popular round here but concerned they may be pretty thirsty on fuel?...

Any help would be gratefully received!

Some people here have recommended the auctions but we no VERY little about vehicles so would be concerned that we didn't really know what to look for without a test drive first...!

[asterix]

I bought a car through Turners Auctions in Christchurch. They will allow you to test drive a car before buying at the auction. They will also auction cars with a Turner guarantee which guarantees mechanical defects. Before you buy anything anywhere get yourself an AA check on your car. Turners will also allow you to do this too. Worth a look. I ended up buying a Ford Focus. A lot of kiwis don't like these because the controls are on the opposite side to the Japanese cars they drive. Good luck

[benandclare]

The Surf may well be a bit thirsty , got a Nissan X trail and struggle to get 30 mpg :wah

[colindp]

I had a Subaru Forester 2.0 and loved it didn't seem to be to heavy on fuel had plenty of room in the back for the dog and the seats could fold right down to give loads of space. I would definitely have another....:nice1

[constablechuck]

Last year I bought a 2001 Mitsubishi Diamante Advance through Turners Auction in Christchurch for $3300, after paying the buyers fee, renewing the rego, buying new tires a WOF and a few minor repairs the total cost was around $4800.

I also bought a 1993 Mitsubishi Pajero 4WD through Turners for $2300, after paying the buyers fee the total was closer to $2500, I had to replace an electric window motor. The engine makes a bit of noise and leaks a bit of oil but it seems to run good and be reliable.

I purchased a few Motorbikes through Trademe and had good luck with them.

My advice is that if you have 7K to spend then buy something from Turners or Trademe for 5K and leave the other 2K as a cushion to cover any repairs it may need.

You will most likely get more car for your money by going through Turners Auction or Trademe.

[james the mechanic]

I would certainly opt for a Legacy over a Surf, unless I were a farmer who required it for work or perhaps a Middle Eastern revolutionary in need of transport for my comrades wheedling grenade launchers. Both are very well proven and basically bullet proof.

The boxer engine fitted to the Legacy is powerful and smooth, it has been around since the early eighties so is very well proven, it also gives the car a lower center of gravity than most as it sits very low in the engine bay, but still has good ground clearance. This gives it unparalleled road holding in its class. The Surf on the other hand is a top heavy, noisy, gas guzzling, wallowing, battle cruiser great for towing the boat, however in NZ it seems to be the almost excusive preserve of diminutive urban drivers in need of booster cushions on the school run.

The negative of the Legacy is that although the engine is very smooth and very well balanced a surprising amount of noise finds its way into the cabin for a road car. In my opinion the Legacy was way ahead of its time when compared with its original competitors such as Alfa’s 33 perm4 and it still in many ways totally unparallel.

I actually doubt ether will return 30 mph, although the Legacy might, watch out for head gasket problems on ’96-’04 2.5l engined Legacys, the 2.2l or 2.0l is probably a safer bet they are good for at lest 200,000 miles. The 4wd transmission rarely gives problems if well maintained, as the majority are not likely to be NZ new, general condition will probably have to be the main indicator of this.

If you haven’t guessed it I think the Legacys an excellent vehicle, the Surf certainly has its applications but it is not really a road vehicle and therefore not really fair to compare. If you must buy a Surf please opt for a turbo diesel but remember you will have to pay road user miles on it.

I’ve been to quite a few Turners auctions and I haven’t been that impressed, with the general quality of vehicles or prices. This may only be at the venues I have visited (mainly Napier) and not indicative of Turners as a whole. However, I would personally opt for Trademe, I agree with others don’t part with your money without having the vehicle inspected by an experience mechanic totally independent to the seller.

Best Wishes:nice1
James

[CJ22]

Great advice James, that one's going in my documents folder :)



Ding! 200.

[shakyle2906]

Hi

We have a Mitsibushi Lancer, paid about $14k for it, its a brilliant car and has plenty of space.

Sharon

[Rusty]

Jamesthemechanic, how do you think the Legacy compares to the Mistubishi Legnum str (I'm too old for a VR4).
Thanks.

[james the mechanic]

Jamesthemechanic, how do you think the Legacy compares to the Mistubishi Legnum str (I'm too old for a VR4).
Thanks.

Hi Rusty,
Personally I would opt for a Legacy over a Legnum, however the vast majority of my experience of Legacy V Surf was based on UK experience and I don’t have much experience of the Legnum/Galant or Mitsubishi in general come to that.

Mitsubishi are (like most Japanese cars) ridiculously reliable, however other than on a quick test drive, I don’t think I’ve ever driven a Legnum, so I don’t really feel qualified to comment. If one comes in at work in the next few days with some problem and everyone says to me ‘yeh they always do that’ I’ll let you know.

They seem really popular here and I must say I haven’t heard any horror stories; they might have a little more street cred, while the Legacy by comparison might be a little utilitarian. I think people with families who are still hoons at heart tend to opt for the VR4 round these parts, so I totally understand why you wouldn’t want one.
Sorry I can't help more.
Best Wishes:nice1
James

[ourquest]

James, perhaps you'll know the answer to this...where do the cars at Turner's come from? Are they bank repossesions, in which case they will likely be poorly maintained (or have had alloy wheels and other luxuries swopped out), or are they privately/dealer owned lemons with bent things that won't pass WOF?

I assume the availability of spares, both new/non-manufacturer and secondhand are good for the Subarus in general thanks to the sheer number of them on the roads?

[Rusty]

Hi Rusty,
Personally I would opt for a Legacy over a Legnum, however the vast majority of my experience of Legacy V Surf was based on UK experience and I don’t have much experience of the Legnum/Galant or Mitsubishi in general come to that.

Mitsubishi are (like most Japanese cars) ridiculously reliable, however other than on a quick test drive, I don’t think I’ve ever driven a Legnum, so I don’t really feel qualified to comment. If one comes in at work in the next few days with some problem and everyone says to me ‘yeh they always do that’ I’ll let you know.

They seem really popular here and I must say I haven’t heard any horror stories; they might have a little more street cred, while the Legacy by comparison might be a little utilitarian. I think people with families who are still hoons at heart tend to opt for the VR4 round these parts, so I totally understand why you wouldn’t want one.
Sorry I can't help more.
Best Wishes:nice1
James

Thanks for that.
I just like the front of the Galant - I'm an 80's child!
Is there a secret mechanics place where I can get reviews other than doing Google review on each car?

[thekiwibarkers]

Hey!

Thanks to everyone for all the amazing responses (especially James!)...

We found it really useful and were a lot more confident as we strode up and down Moorhouse Ave looking at all the dealers....

We finally ended up going with a Nissan Stagea as it was in great condition, a very good price and went through the AA check with no worries..:raebanana We've just driven to Kaikoura in it and it was so comfortable and spacious and just what we were looking for!...

We bought the car from Paul Kelly Motors and they seemed to look after us with all they gave us so would recommend them to anyone looking...

Thanks again to all, this forum is just SOOOO valuable!!!

[Steadybears]

Hi to the Kiwibarkers - can you tell us where Paul Kelly Motors are - we just arrived and will be looking for a car as well.

Tks

[Wahlet]

Kiwibarkers,
You can buy a lot of bicycle for $5-7K!

Seriously though, I see you live in Christchurch. Have you considered the option of replacing your family car with bikes? The estimate in the US (probably similar to NZ) is that you can save around $6000 / yr by doing this. It may be more feasible than you may think.

Some inspirational articles on a family that has done just this:
http://www.unconventionalideas.com/replacng.html
http://www.unconventionalideas.com/givupcar.html

Let me know if you do try it. My wife and I are going "non-car" when we move to Wellington and are excited about this change.

There are bicycles that make this way of life more workable. Most Americans (and Kiwis) are not aware of them, but they are widely used in Europe, mostly Holland. The Dutch style bikes are very practical, durable, and, with upright seating, they are comfortable. Also see:

Cargo bikes: http://www.cargobikenz.co.nz/, http://dutchbikes.us/cargobikes/ (examples)
Cargo trailers: http://www.bikesatwork.com/bike-trailers/model-32a-bike-cart.html , http://www.croozerdesigns.com/croozer_travel.html

[Moorf Junior]

I'm aiming for a Legacy GT-B :cool: or a Scooby estate.

I'll prob have a sensible hat on and end up with a diesel tho

[benandclare]

Hi to the Kiwibarkers - can you tell us where Paul Kelly Motors are - we just arrived and will be looking for a car as well.

Tks

http://www.paulkelly.co.nz/pk_home.htm

Hi guys ,

They have 3 sites on Moorhouse Ave and one on corner of Montreal and Asaph.

We used them too and found them good to deal with

Ben

[DanFromCali]

Hey!

We finally ended up going with a Nissan Stagea as it was in great condition, a very good price and went through the AA check with no worries..:raebanana We've just driven to Kaikoura in it and it was so comfortable and spacious and just what we were looking for!...


How has that Stagea worked out for you so far? I've been considering that wagon myself.

[aberdian]

We used Paul Kelly too - got a good discount and when we peed petrol all over the forecourt of the Shell garage 3k away, the salesman and 2 mechanics arrived post haste with a spare Prado for us to run round while our car was fixed :) Nothing big, just a loose breather pipe, but sorted brilliantly.