[MB]

Okay, have to bring this up again:
quite apart from anyone here actually being assigned it as an outcome, I've only seen one new mention on the forum recently of the Skilled Migrant 2-year WTR visa option. That mention was a report of an NZIS officer saying that the interview was to help them decide whether to issue PR or the WTR route.

Aside from that mention, does anyone here know of anyone being assigned the WTR visa as opposed to upfront PR? Or has anyone at NZIS referred to it, even?

There was a post here a few weeks ago suggesting that NZIS don't use the WTR option anymore.

Or do they perhaps only use it in a few cases in which they are seriously, seriously leery of someone's ability to settle.. but not so leery that they want to rejcet them out of hand?

Or what? My other thought has been that there just haven't been enough decisions made on no-job-offer applications yet for the numbers to start showing.

Cheers,
Matt.

[MB]

Guys, I'm yanking this topic up to the top again 'cos the 'Money, Money, Money' thread has indirectly got me thinking yet again about the apparent quietness of the whole SMC 2-yr-permit-PR-after-3-months-skilled-work option.

Has anyone not heard anything from anyone at NZIS about how or whether this option is being conferred on any no-job application?

I'm sorry to bring up my ol' hobby horse, but it just intrigues me that there's this supposed other "big" option -- that could change the moving dynamics for many of us - and nobody actually seems to have been assigned it as a result of their application.

Any clues?

Cheers,
Matt.

[Lil]

Following my interview my Case Officer explained that she now had to go away to make her decision. She told me that she had three options to consider:

1. Rejected - which she said was HIGHLY unlikely at this stage. She said I would not have reached the interview stage if we were to be rejected. Most rejections are filtered out at the very first stages of EOI.
2. WTR
3. PR

She told me she was only considering options 2 & 3 and that her decision is based upon her opinion of the interview. I think that they would have to have some serious reasons to doubt your ability to settle to only offer WTR, as this gives them the chance to see how you fare. Imagine if you were not a forum fan and were totally clueless that they might go for the WTR option. I have not heard of anyone on any of the forums to date who has not got PR following the interview.

Hope this helps to put your mind at rest.

[MB]

Lil - yes, it certainly does. Ta much. It also reminds me of that mention on here a few weeks ago that almost all UK apps. that pass EOI are eventually successful.

It's just a bit puzzling when one reads that the WTR thing is one of the big three outcomes, and yet -- as you point out -- nobody on this (or other) forums has been offered it. This is especially odd when one read things like an immigration company's latest newlsetter which seems to suggest that WTR is the most likely option for no-job candidates (perhaps, statistically, it still is, or will turn out to be when all the returns are in).

I do think you may have hit on something when you make the connection between contriubting to a forum and being informed enough to impress NZIS into giving you PR. I dunno. Sometimes it surprises me -- and someitmes it doesn't -- that anyone would have enough perserverance, money and acumen to submit all documents and then not join either an online forum or do equivalent research to impress at interview.

I have an idea, though, that a combo of NZIS trying to get a healthy number of immigrants; the relative minority(?) of ITA invites who actually get the docs. back to NZIS; the kind of factors such as forum membership/research; and maybe something most of tend to us take for granted, English language ability, lead to the likelihood at the moment that a well-prepared app. of any kind might well get upfront PR.

A final thought: where does this leave the whole nature of EOI checking? It seems to speak well of its efficacy (although I am sparing a substantial thought here for at least one pal on this forum who seems to have had an unnecessarily hard time at EOI). I guess that not many people claim things that they can't back up by paperwork, which one might have thought is a real pitfall zone for many. Even so, a look at the fortnightly NZIS figures show that quite a few eventual applications get rejected. Perhaps many of these are folks whose language skills, work experience or health don't come up to scratch... i.e., things that could be ajudged inadequate even though they by no means told fibs or made inaccurate representations on the original EOI.

Phew. Cheers,
Matt.

[veronica]

Anyone have the stats for WTR from non english speaking countries. Don't forget when reading stuff on the forum we are for the main part peoples who have English as a first language. I don't know if the type of visas issued for other countries is statistically the same as those issued in the UK/USA.

[Mike & Nicola]

Rather foolishly, I presumed that when we had the call for our interview we would automatically get PR afterwards. But when our case officer said at the end of the interview that she "really wasnt sure what option to give us" ie PR or WTR I was really worried over the weekend whilst we waited to hear. Eventually, we heard back and it was good news. Not sure if she was "truly" undecided or thats just what she says?!? Maybe its all a pretence?

Mike

[MB]

Veronica - you've said clearly what I hinted at in my 'English-language-advantage' comments. I think you might have something when you talk about the stats. for WTR for folks who do not yet speak English as proficiently as others.

As a side comment on language:
when I listen to someone for whom English is currently a question of learning, I think "Right, how well can I speak their first language?"
At that point the high degree of dexterity and knowledge they are demonstrating, relative to me in this regard, becomes, to say the least, striking. :yes

Cheers, everyone, for comments on this WTR thing.

Matt.

[MB]

Or should that be "relative to I in this regard"?

I'm all self-conscious now.

:laugh


Cheers,
Matt.