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UktoKiwi
10th June 2008, 02:29 PM
This will no doubt interest people from UK more than others but I suspect NZ market may not be so different.
Remember though they are not saying prices will fall 50%- they are saying in real terms taking into account inflation so it may be that the actual reduction in prices could be somewhere between 35 & 40 %.


Traders predict house prices will fall by 50% in four years

· Investments based on property 'fall off a cliff'
· Job losses hit estate agents and mortgage firms

* Phillip Inman
* The Guardian,
* Monday June 9 2008
* Article history

The slide in house prices will continue for at least three years and crush the value of a home by almost 50% in real terms, according to a key index of property price futures. Indications from futures trading on long term property prices shows that the average UK home will recover its current value only in 2017.

By the end of this year prices will be down by 10% and by a further 10.5% in 2009, according to the index. Prices will keep dropping through 2010 and cut values by 23.5% when they hit rock bottom in 2011. House prices will then begin a slow climb back to current market values over a period of about six years.

If an average retail price inflation rate of 4% is included in the calculation and in addition the 8% drop in prices over the last eight months already registered by the Halifax index, the fall in values over almost four years will reach 47.5% in real terms.

The Liberal Democrat Treasury spokesman, Lord Oakeshott, said the figures revealed that property investors had little confidence in the market and were predicting steep and prolonged falls in prices.

"This government says this housing depression will be different from the early 1990s. Yes, that's right. It will be worse."

When not attacking government policy in the Lords, Oakeshott invests in property on behalf of pension funds through his investment vehicle Olim. He says he has watched the index steadily fall over recent weeks. On Friday it "fell off a cliff" after the Halifax published its latest house price survey.

Halifax said the value of a home fell by 2.4% in May, the seventh month in the past eight when prices have fallen.

The May figure spooked investors, who said prices were now falling more rapidly than at any time since the early 90s property crash. House buyers benefited from low prices until 1995 when values began to pick up.

Last week an economic consultancy, the Centre for Economics and Business Research, predicted that in 2008 almost 15,000 estate agents would lose their jobs. It said real estate output will also decline during the year by 3% in real terms, as the drop in mortgage approvals and housing transactions take its toll.

The slide is also hitting mortgage brokers, illustrated by John Charcol, which last week announced job cuts and made Katie Tucker, product specialist and one of the public faces of the broker, redundant.

The firm's chief executive, Ian Kennedy, is also reported to be in discussion with chairman John Garfield - one of the founders of the business - about his future. In January, the broker announced it was putting itself up for sale. But no buyer turned up and instead its founders were expected to inject more funds into the business.

The residential property futures market is based on the Halifax monthly house price index, published by the bank. It is an-over-the-counter market designed for banks, pension funds, insurance companies and housebuilders to trade on the future values of property. Tradition Property, a City-based property broker, operates a derivatives futures index based on the Halifax figures.

benhila
10th June 2008, 05:09 PM
Don't you just 'love' politicians with their 'doom and gloom' messages? Of course, if they were in power, everything would have been ten times better! Everyone who follows the property market (or maybe just everybody that is old enough? Ooouch) knows that it goes in cycles. There is no doubt that after booming over the last 10 years prices must come down, but 50%? Give me a break! I wouldn't lose too much sleep over it!

Hila (ex-UK optimist)

Moorf
10th June 2008, 05:25 PM
Tend to agree with Hila... it's cyclic... and if your house goes down in value so do all the others, surely? Houses used to be a long-term proposition, nowadays it seems we're all miserable if we can't make a killing after a couple of years.. we've been spoilt.

Kate D
10th June 2008, 07:36 PM
Completely agree with that the "doom and gloom" view of the world is wearing. It's supposed to make for interesting reading, and for everyone predicting a fall of X% someone else will predict a fall of Y% so one of them is bound to get it right. The circumstances compared to the last crash are so different that I find it hard to believe that such an extreme drop really will occur. It's still supply and demand - new builds can't keep pace with the desire for new homes so that will play a factor too.

As someone resigned to renting out my place for the next few years, if people aren't selling then the demand for rentals should still at least be there...

I really do feel sorry for people who HAVE to make a sale before coming out here, that will make things tougher for that new start.

Kate

Rusty
10th June 2008, 09:40 PM
I agree it is those that use doom and gloom for their own purpose (including media spinning stories to sell papers) that are making most people think about waiting before buying.
There is an excellent book about using bad news and fear to sell what you want called 'The science and politics of fear' by Dan Gardner, that I am reading and it explains why stories like this keep appearing.

victoria24
10th June 2008, 09:53 PM
most respected commentators are saying an average of 10%. you have to have all the facts to make a conjecture. we have to remember that at the moment the Uk has few distressed sales which keeps the supply and demand in check

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