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Rorschach
23rd July 2008, 02:15 AM
As many of us our now considering renting out our houses/flats in the UK instead of selling, I thought I would investigate the issue around Capital Gains Tax on selling your property (KerryS has also posted something similar on the 'renting' thread).

I'm no tax expert, but these are the Inland Revenue rules as I understand them.

Taking an example of someone who owns a property that they bought for £150k and have lived in for 5 years prior to moving abroad. Lets say upon selling, they can realise £250k for it.

1. If you sell within 3 years of moving abroad:
In this case, your property in the UK is still considered your primary residence and therefore you are not liable for any capital gains tax on the equity you make. Therefore the £100k equity (as per the above example) is all yours.

2. If you sell after 3 years but before you have been a non-resident for 5 full tax years:
Then essentially you will pay capital gains tax as the property will no longer be considered your primary residence in the UK, however, it's not as bad is it may seem at first.
The Inland Revenue only charges you on the period for which your property was not considered to be your primary form of residence.
In the example above, they would say that the 5 years you actually lived in the property would be added to the first 3 years you were non-resident to give a total of 8 years that the property is considered to be your primary residence. Lets say you sold it after 4 years of being away from the UK, so they would say for 8 out of those 9 years, it was your primary residence and not liable for CGT. So they will want to tax you for 1 ninth, ie. 1/9 * £100k (the equity) = £11,111.
Against that you can claim capital gains tax relief of £9,600 (for 2008/09 for individuals - double that relief if you are a couple and jointly own the property).
This then leaves: £11,111 - £9,600 = £1,511 on which they will charge you tax.
I'm not sure of the rate used, but usually this is the income tax rate you are on. Ie. 20% or 40% if you are a higher rate tax payer (although if you're not in the UK you haven't earned any income so maybe the rate is 20% or even 0% if you haven't earned enough - someone else may be able to clarify).
Lets say the worst case scenario, 40% then you would actually be taxed £1,511 * 40% = £604 and be left with £99,396 of the £100k equity.

3. If you sell after being a non-resident for 5 full tax years:
You are not considered to be liable for CGT by the Inland Revenue, so again, as in 1. the £100k is yours.

I hope the above clarifies, but if anyone knows different, please add to the thread in case I've missed something. I've spoken directly to the UK Inland Revenue about this who have agreed the above is how this would be calculated.

Rusty
23rd July 2008, 05:03 AM
Thank you for the time and research. Have some rep points.

JayBee
23rd July 2008, 07:04 AM
Thanks for taking the time to post this.

Paul
24th July 2008, 01:32 AM
As many of us our now considering renting out our houses/flats in the UK instead of selling, I thought I would investigate the issue around Capital Gains Tax on selling your property (KerryS has also posted something similar on the 'renting' thread).

I'm no tax expert, but these are the Inland Revenue rules as I understand them.

Taking an example of someone who owns a property that they bought for £150k and have lived in for 5 years prior to moving abroad. Lets say upon selling, they can realise £250k for it.

1. If you sell within 3 years of moving abroad:
In this case, your property in the UK is still considered your primary residence and therefore you are not liable for any capital gains tax on the equity you make. Therefore the £100k equity (as per the above example) is all yours.

2. If you sell after 3 years but before you have been a non-resident for 5 full tax years:
Then essentially you will pay capital gains tax as the property will no longer be considered your primary residence in the UK, however, it's not as bad is it may seem at first.
The Inland Revenue only charges you on the period for which your property was not considered to be your primary form of residence.
In the example above, they would say that the 5 years you actually lived in the property would be added to the first 3 years you were non-resident to give a total of 8 years that the property is considered to be your primary residence. Lets say you sold it after 4 years of being away from the UK, so they would say for 8 out of those 9 years, it was your primary residence and not liable for CGT. So they will want to tax you for 1 ninth, ie. 1/9 * £100k (the equity) = £11,111.
Against that you can claim capital gains tax relief of £9,600 (for 2008/09 for individuals - double that relief if you are a couple and jointly own the property).
This then leaves: £11,111 - £9,600 = £1,511 on which they will charge you tax.
I'm not sure of the rate used, but usually this is the income tax rate you are on. Ie. 20% or 40% if you are a higher rate tax payer (although if you're not in the UK you haven't earned any income so maybe the rate is 20% or even 0% if you haven't earned enough - someone else may be able to clarify).
Lets say the worst case scenario, 40% then you would actually be taxed £1,511 * 40% = £604 and be left with £99,396 of the £100k equity.

3. If you sell after being a non-resident for 5 full tax years:
You are not considered to be liable for CGT by the Inland Revenue, so again, as in 1. the £100k is yours.

I hope the above clarifies, but if anyone knows different, please add to the thread in case I've missed something. I've spoken directly to the UK Inland Revenue about this who have agreed the above is how this would be calculated.


Always a hot topic and quite misundertood by many people (very understandably I would add) this one!

You are quite right about the last 3 years being ignored when selling any property for CGT however your points 2 and 3 need amending:-

1. If you sell in a tax year when you are non resident you will not be liable to UK CGT and you will only receive a CGT liability if you effectively return to the UK to reside within 5 years. I do not believe this changed with the recent changes to CGT. The specific rules are somewhat more complicated than this but in layman's terms this suffices

2. The rate of CGT is now 18% for everyone aside from people benefiting from entrepreneurs relief (selling businesses etc)

As an aside anyone who has bought in the last 5 years say, probably will not have any such issues when they come to sell in the next couple of years in a falling market anyway as they are unlikely to be making significant paper profits

As always tax is never straight forward and you should seek advice if your circumstances are anything apart from the norm

Hope that helps
Paul

Rorschach
24th July 2008, 03:02 AM
Thanks for the amendment Paul.

Now you mention the 18% for CGT, I remember that coming up in the last budget. Sorry for missing that.

chocolate cake
25th July 2008, 12:19 AM
As an aside anyone who has bought in the last 5 years say, probably will not have any such issues when they come to sell in the next couple of years in a falling market anyway as they are unlikely to be making significant paper profits

Yep house prices will no doubt fall still further, but not so sure that properties will fall back to the level of 5 years ago. Most on here have properties they've probably had for somewhile so this a very valid topic.

Ideally I'd like a clean break, but I'm definitely considering renting mine out now.

Paul
25th July 2008, 03:36 AM
As an aside anyone who has bought in the last 5 years say, probably will not have any such issues when they come to sell in the next couple of years in a falling market anyway as they are unlikely to be making significant paper profits

Yep house prices will no doubt fall still further, but not so sure that properties will fall back to the level of 5 years ago. Most on here have properties they've probably had for somewhile so this a very valid topic.

Ideally I'd like a clean break, but I'm definitely considering renting mine out now.

That's the problem with the recession this time - noone really knows what is going to happen. the problem will be if house price deflation gathers pace (as it often does after the initial slow drops) and then you get a snowball effect in a relatively short space of time and to be honest the prices of 5 years ago might be a best case scenario

Peoples equity, and in some cases their only way to a new life in NZ could very easily be wiped out I'm afraid

At the moment I cannot see us seriously looking at doing the move again for another 5 years in the current market

Certainly no arguments that tax surrounding this is a very valid topic however

Best of luck in making your decision :cheers

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