[Brian]

I'm about 2 months away from the big move, and I'll be going on a tourist visa initially because I won't have enough points until I get a job offer. Many of the jobs I see listed on trademe and elsewhere have "You must be eligible to work in NZ to apply for this role." as part of the listing. Does this mean they won't even consider me unless my visa is already sorted, or is it worth applying anyway to see if they'll sponsor me?

[mgbridges]

I'm about 2 months away from the big move, and I'll be going on a tourist visa initially because I won't have enough points until I get a job offer. Many of the jobs I see listed on trademe and elsewhere have "You must be eligible to work in NZ to apply for this role." as part of the listing. Does this mean they won't even consider me unless my visa is already sorted, or is it worth applying anyway to see if they'll sponsor me?

Personally I'd say apply anyway. As my Mum always said "if you don't ask, you don't get".

Good luck
Anneliese

[Janey]

I agree totally and it has never stopped me getting interviews, it ois good however to build a rapport with agencies as they are the ones who seem not to woory about this what line of business are you in?

[Brian]

I'm in IT - software testing to be exact. 10 years of experience but no degree which really cuts down on the points. I've never had much luck working with agencies in the US - perhaps I'll have to get over my fear of them when I head to NZ :)

[andrew whittle]

I agree with the rest, keep applying. It has never stopped me, I am now working with a few popular agencys and have interviews lined up with them and employers for when I get there. From what I have found out, most employers will only show an interest when you are actually in NZ.

[Moorf]

I agree with everyone else - apply anyway. OH applied for jobs (IT also) with the same caveat (albeit from inside NZ on a visitors visa!) and was invited for interviews.

It is pretty well known that most, not all, employers prefer you to be in the country before they will entertain your application but you just never know until you try. ;)

[BkyMonster]

My OH as applied for a few positions and most of them have gotten back right away with "Let us know when you arrive"

I'm puzzling over what this likely means.
That the job will still be open in 2 months?
That they don't want to deal with people not on the ground?

We had wanted to set up interviews before we arrive. Have to make the most of the 30 days without doggies to pack around. :)
I guess keep trying?

But for you Brian I'd say apply anyhow. The worst they can do is say no. :)

[CJ22]

I've PMed you Brian.

[Brian]

Thanks everyone! I'm comfortable flying over without a job arranged first. I understand employers are wary of hiring someone who may or may not actually arrive as planned and who they aren't able to meet in person. I have enough money saved up to live cheaply in Wellington for a few months then run back home if it doesn't work out. I'm optimistic that won't happen though!

[Chiba]

[Shuffles feet] As a potential employer, I can understand why employers are nervous. You just don't get a proper feel for people by telephone, or even video conference. It's hard work! I've just done a bunch of interviews (both in person and by phone), and it's not comparable.

There's also a very significant risk around "cold feet". I'm sure nobody here would bail at the last minute, but lots of people - an agent quoted me 40% - do back out. Then there's the delay. Instead of a NZ typical four weeks from making the offer, it might potentially turn into 3-4 months by the time people land.

Saying that, needs must, so if you're a SQL Server DBA then PM me! :D

[Moorf]

Telecommute a possibility? :uhoh

[Barry1]

I have the same dilemma. Does not have enough points until I get a job offer.......... Want to join the New Zealand Police but to be considered you need residency first......... Have extensive law enforcement and security experience.

Please can anyone tell me is it a waste of time and money to come over to NZ and do some cold calling and promote myself?? So far I had a few interested replies to applications, but with the same reply - contact us when you have a work permit............

Also, I believe a work permit is made out to a specific employer, for a specific job, for a specific time. How do you change that when you change employers????

Please help.

[nate]

Brian - I would echo the already-given advice to apply for these jobs, anyway. It can't hurt, right? And you never know, you might hear back from one or several of those employers. I didn't, but I'm in a different industry (structural engineering). You might have considered this already, but I found a job recruiter to be very helpful. I didn't pay any money to the recruiting agency.

Barry - If you can afford it, I would encourage you to come over and try to establish yourself in NZ. Sounds like you probably have already done this, but put a ton of research into the work permit process and the costs associated with it. Keep looking for positions where they might be willing to offer you a position before you get your permit squared away. If you think it might take some time to get a job lined up after you arrive, or if you absolutely need a work permit before anyone will hire you, then line up a work visa before you come over. There are ways to get more points that you might be unaware of, you can find several threads on this site about that. I have no idea what the law enforcement "industry" is like over here, so I can't offer any more specific advice.

Good luck!

:: nate ::

[goaters]

Hi Brian

I have read the same thing as you, about being eligeble to work in NZ.

My wife and i intend to go to Nelson in 09 on a holiday visa, and then i would hope to find work as a joiner/carpenter (25 years in the trade) as soon as pos.

Unfortunatley my C&G qalifications do not meet the NVG4 level needed for points.

Anyway we are still going to take the gamble.

Good luck and all the best with your plans.

Nick

[jubjub]

The advert is worded that way to aviod getting 9,000 CVs from china that just waste your time.

If your in country and can come in for an interview, all well and good.

We've hired people this year that came into the country on a tourist visa and sponsered them through a work visa

Sals Husband.

[NewHope]

The advert is worded that way to aviod getting 9,000 CVs from china that just waste your time.

If your in country and can come in for an interview, all well and good.

We've hired people this year that came into the country on a tourist visa and sponsered them through a work visa

Sals Husband.

What about people that are coming soon? Example my OH and I are coming over on November on visitor visa and will start searching for interview on October. What I am asking is will that be considered as 'wasting' interviewer's time? Or is it just better to look for interviews just a week before we leave?

Just curious what is the point of view from an interviewer. :p

[jubjub]

If you can give a date, like "I'll be in the country on xxx", great.

You may end up doing a few tele interviews and arranging to come in for a chat when you get there.

Nov is a bit far out, but 3 or 4 weeks out in fine.

Working with an agency is good, pm me for a good guy that we've hired from before

[Midgey]

Jubjub

Being cheeky now - but hey if you don't ask then you don't get.

Would it be possible for you to pm me the details of the Good Agency Guy ??

Thanks

Midgey