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JPOnion
24th August 2008, 09:37 PM
Hi.

...

Oh, I guess you want more than that, huh? :D

So I guess I've been bitten by the kiwi-bug. I've been wanting to move countries for a while now, and even got the opportunity to spend a year in Tokyo a few years back. That was for school, though, even if it had nothing to do with my program. Now that I've graduated, I want to make the move something more long term.

Why do I want to move? It's a little hard to explain, but I'm sure many of you here have similar reasons to me. I haven't felt like I fit in here, and haven't for as long as I can remember. The politics, the general way of life and personality of the average american, the excessive sex-appeal and commercialism, the fast paced live-to-work mentality are a few things I'm able to actually put into words. Basically, it's just an all around deep-rooted feeling of "this isn't my kind of place" that's always nagged at me, and I've lived all over the country too (north, south, east and west). I'd like to do it relatively soon, too, because I'm just starting out in the workplace so don't really have a career to leave behind or start from scratch. I'm working my way up from the bottom right now, might as well do it someplace I enjoy, even if it means leaving the cool job I've got now.

Canada's always been my first choice, mostly 'cause it's right next door and it's been great everytime I've gone. But right now it's a bit too close, there's some things that don't appeal to me, and if I actually sit and think about it I realize Canada isn't someplace I want to move to, the US is just someplace I want to move from...and Canada just happens to be there. So, in essence, Canada's just catching me on the rebound.

New Zealand, though...in the last few months, all the reading, research, stories, etc has made it seem more like a place I want to move to. I don't want to go into this thinking I've found utopia, though, I know it'll have issues. Even though I loved my time in Tokyo, and at the time thought I wanted to live there, there were things I didn't like, frustrated me enough that it made some family / friends back home that read my blog think I hated the place...so I'm trying to keep that in mind, find out what it is about New Zealand I won't like, what'll frustrate me, etc, but also what I'll probably like. Weigh the pros and cons. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst, if you will.

So yeah, there's the long introduction. I'm still in the research stage, but NZ is definately the top choice. As I said, everything I've seen so far (the good and the bad...this isn't the first forum I've been at, but I don't think I can mention the other one here...needless to say, they dont have as rosey an outlook on NZ as you all do) makes it seem like a country I'd like to move to, rather than just a place to "escape" the current one...even with the kinks in mind. I've got a trip in the works when I get enough vacation time (6 more months...) to see how much I like it in person, though.

A few simple Q's if you dont mind:

1) Is there any advantage to wait for the PR to go through before going, rather than getting a job on a work visa / permit and, while in NZ already working, start the PR process there?

2) Software Engineering...would that count as a long term skill shortage? I might be missing something, but I can't find it anywhere where specific jobs are mentioned, but based on the general descriptions of what's needed I would imagine this would count. I'm not sure if it counts as "Information Communication Technology", either (can't find a definition anywhere).

3) I notice in a some of the signatures here that some people get job offers then start the PR process, waiting for it to fully process before working. I've only had a few interviews so far in my working career, but I've never heard of a company giving a job offer and then waiting for that long. Is this normal, a kiwi thing, or an exception when dealing with us migrants?

Thanks, everybody! I'm excited about learning more and the prospect of actually doing this. I've got a big sense of adventure and travel-lust, but I usually need somebody pushing me past the initial "fear" of starting, so maybe this forum'll help. :nice1

dilanium
24th August 2008, 10:48 PM
Hello and welcome.

Good luck with your plans. I Can't help you with the above questions as I came here through persuing a degree and plan to stay, but if you have any general life questions feel free to ask.

I recommend not coming in June, because I left Vegas in June (the middle of summer, and arrived here in the middle of winter and it was a bit of a shock).

:)

slider
24th August 2008, 11:07 PM
Hello, and welcome to the forum :)

JandM
24th August 2008, 11:35 PM
Welcome to the forum.:) I don't have any answers for you, either, still being in the UK, and when I go, it will be on the parent sponsorship system, but no doubt when the Kiwis wake up, you'll get some help from people who have already done the deed. All the best.:nice1

Kiwi-In-Texas
25th August 2008, 04:07 AM
Hello and welcome. Good luck with your plans.

Mrs Pony
25th August 2008, 08:50 AM
welcome fellow American! We're trying to get the heck out asap as well. OH lived in Welly for a year on a WHV. We went for our honeymoon and have been trying to get back there ever since!

You might want to try the WHV first... having a job already in NZ you will get extra points on your EOI...either way if you are in any IT field you will be set.

Good luck with everything and enjoy the ride!

JandL
25th August 2008, 09:27 AM
I applied in April as a software developer, it was on the list then. Just checked and your right, I could not see the same option then. If I could log into my account I would tell you the option I chose however it appears that I have forgot my password (or rather it doesn't believe me), so I can't tell you for 8 hours :). One thing you can do is create an account with the INZ site http://www.immigration.govt.nz and start applying. It doesn't commit you to anything, but gives you a huge application form to fill out. It will tell you the points you have on the way, and allow you to pick from the current skills list for your experience and education. You can just fill out the bits you like to get an idea of what points you would get, and then go back and add the detail (passport number, addresses etc etc). Its all online and you can spend all year filling it out. Its only when you send it off do you pay.

JPOnion
25th August 2008, 09:54 AM
Thanks for the welcome everybody. :D

Mrs Pony: Yeah, as far as points go, I'd like them to be as high as I can get them before I apply, just so the process goes as smooth as possible. I'm running through the calculator, and if I'm right in calculating it all (which assumes software engineering is in a future growth area):

w/out a job offer: 80 points
w/ a job offer: 150 points
if I come into NZ and apply for PR within a year of starting work: 150
if I come into NZ and apply for PR after a year of working: 185

There's a big jump between applying before I've worked a full year and after I've worked a full year because of the different amount of work experience I could claim. I guess I'm just wanting to make sure there's no kind of penalty for not waiting the entire PR process out at home, since once things work out and if I decide to do this, I don't want to then wait another 6 - 9 or so months for paperwork to go through.

Sorry, rambling again. Just kinda excited about just thinking about a huge change like this and all the research involved, and I'm the kind of guy to want to tell somebody when I find out cool stuff like this...but I don't really want to tell my friends / family right now and deal with all the "you're leaving us?!" guilt trips ;)

JandL: Cool, thanks for the tip. I'll check it out :nice1

Gerritt
25th August 2008, 12:03 PM
Hey, how is it going!

I'm not far away from you - I'm in Nevada City!

Welcome to the forum, hope you can skidattle from here soon - I, on the other hand, have to wait a few years before even starting. :(

dusk
26th August 2008, 10:59 AM
Hello and welcome :)

I do believe it is not forbidden to mention the rather more negative forum - I don't think things here are 'rose-tinted' just that a slightly more optimistic outlook is generally held :)

1. Many of the reasons people have for wanting PR before emigrating are to do with security, some have families, some people just like to know where they stand before they move that far... if you are young and have no ties to speak of then there's nothing stopping you heading over and starting the PR process once you work out if NZ is the right place for you.

2. Software Engineering/Software Development would come under ICT. there's some terminology difference i think but if you look at the descriptions given in the description for each sub category it should make a bit more sense.


3. it varies - if a company is willing to interview/hire people who are looking to relocate from abroad on a permanent basis they are usually willing to wait anything up to 12 months for that person, if they would rather hire someone already prepped to start work then they won't be willing to wait as long :)

JPOnion
26th August 2008, 05:07 PM
Once again, thanks for the welcome :nice1

dusk and everybody else that helped:
1: Excellent, this is what I was hoping the case was. I'm completely free, no OH, family is already nearly 2 states over (western states, so a multi-day drive), and while I like the work I have now (and have to admit I've got a better deal than most, especially for a fresh graduate), my career has only just begun. I don't want to let a career or anything like that get in the way of me following my dreams, or even delaying them. If I did, then where would it end? Moving out of the country has always been my dream, I just didn't really have anywhere as appealing as NZ has become in the last few months, and I figure this is probably the best and most hassle-free time to work on it.

2: Sweet! My school had a completely seperate IT degree with very little course overlap so I wasn't entirely sure of software development fit it or ICT. Asking some of my friends still at school, they seemed to have conflicting answers too. With this info, I should be set then, so long as I have a job offer. I'm planning on having at least one year done here before I leave, partly because I dont want to pay back my relocation package and because I want at least some experience before looking for work...but, yeah, looks like this could work.
EDIT: I just noticed on the Careers Services (http://www.kiwicareers.govt.nz/) site they list programmers as ICT, too. Good all around site.

3: This wasn't really for me, it was more a curiosity and a question another friend of mine I got interested in NZ was asking. Good to know.

Gerritt: Hey there, neighbor! Are you the one we talk to for all that second hand smoke we got last month? We do have a sign set up, you know :D :exit

JandL: Been filling out the paperwork now, looks like my calculations are on track.

dilanium: Planning a reccy (I'm learning a lot of UK slang on these boards) sometime in Feb, that shouldn't be too bad. Just coming out of winter here, hopefully not as warm there. Then again, it could be the dead of summer down in NZ and from what I hear it wouldn't be nearly as hot as it gets here.

(PS: I have a tendancy to ramble, especially when excited about something)

BkyMonster
26th August 2008, 05:26 PM
I'm amazed there is any software development in Reno TBH. :p I bet I know what company you work for! probably the same one my OH works for. :laugh
My OH currently works for a company that has an office there and in Vegas but they also have one where we are as engineers are hard to come by in Reno, and we live near a large engineering university.
Welcome to the forum. I lived in Reno for a year or so. Lots of happy dogs there was my impression of it. And always so sunny.

BaldyBeardyBloke
26th August 2008, 05:56 PM
Hello and welcome

sweetpea
26th August 2008, 07:23 PM
I do believe it is not forbidden to mention the rather more negative forum

Well, I just had a post edited to remove mention of the rather more negative forum by name, so.... just something to keep in mind. Moderator's edits aren't explicitly noted on this site, unlike a few others I frequent.

JPOnion
26th August 2008, 07:42 PM
BkyMonster: Wow, small world. PM sent, since I think you might be right. I'm pretty new to the area, last summer was my first time here, but there seems to be a fair number of software engineering positions now. There's more up there, though.

Scotty69
26th August 2008, 08:48 PM
Hi and welcome to the forum. Good luck with the plans.
:raebanana:raebanana

dilanium
26th August 2008, 09:11 PM
The only software companies that I'm aware of in Reno are slot-machine programs. My brother works for a company that's in Reno and Vegas as well working on Slot machines.

:)

dusk
27th August 2008, 10:08 AM
Planning a reccy (I'm learning a lot of UK slang on these boards) sometime in Feb

that's French really, we just stole it and shortened it :)

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