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richsadams
16th September 2004, 04:15 AM
Hi All :cool

Thought I'd write a little about buying a house in NZ as compared to the U.S.

The upside is that it is soooooo much easier! :clap We bought ours about a month ago now and the process was almost painless. Once everyone's happy with a price everything's handled by solicitors (lawyers). You have one and the vendor (seller) has one. There are no escrow companies, no title companies and no one else with their hand out for money. The total cost for everything was about US$600. That's it, signed, sealed and delivered! :yes

If you're in a hurry you could actually close in about 48 hours. What a great place!

It is suggested that you get a proper inspection of course (about US$200). The inspection company will also check property issues with the local council and find out if they're planning on turning your street into a freeway or building an airport next door one day.

Most homes are sold at auction (see Karl's posting) but ours had an actual price on it.

The downside (and there always is one isn't there :no ) is it's harder to go about finding a house to buy. In the U.S. you would generally hook up with a local real estate agent who would take you around to see various prospective homes listed by just about anyone. When you buy a house your agent shares the commission with the listing agent. In NZ the real estate agents only represent the vendors (sellers) as they only receive commissions on homes they sell...they don't share commissions. They only sell homes that their particular company have listed and they also work fairly small territories. So if an agent showed you a home they have listed and there was one across the street listed by another company, they would have no interest in showing it to you. You have to call the agent listing each particular home. Agents generally only know the details of their particular area and can't tell you much about an area across town, etc.

And many (most) homes are listed for auction so you have no idea how much they are really worth. It's a good deal for the vendor (and the R.E. company) but not so good for the buyer. An agent will usually give you an estimate of how much a house will sell for, but it's often inflated. You can make an offer prior to the auction, but it's hard to say if the price is right since as a "newbie" you really don't know the area.

You can hire a "valuation company" that will give you an appraisal on a home but we've come to find out that instead of doing proper comps, etc., they often ring up the local real estate companies to find out how much other houses in the area are selling for. Not the best way for you to make an offer.

Ultimately we spent many weekends, mostly Sundays, visiting open homes. And even that was strange as the agents hold an open home for 45 minutes to an hour. Then they rush off to work another open home. Some agents may work six or more open homes in one day. You really have to plan your day accordingly because of the small window of time to actually see a particular house. They'll show it to you another time, but if you want to see several homes in a day (and we recommend that you see a LOT of houses before you buy) you have to run from open house to open house. After a few weeks you'll get to know the area you want to be in, and then you can settle on where you want to live.

We rented for three months before buying and I'd recommend that to most people unless you really know exactly where you want to live. It gives you time to look around, talk to the locals and get a feel for things.

Prices have topped out for now and are levelling off. The interest rates just went up again (around 8.5% now) and will likely go up again before year’s end. There's talk that the market will slide but most estimates are for prices to remain flat for a year to 18 months, perhaps a small drop of 5% or so. :hopeso

Foreigners can buy homes here with no strings unless the home is located on the water (ocean, lake, river, etc.) or has access to water. Then you have to get additional approval. More paperwork is also required for large tracts of land.

One more downside is that if you finance your home, the mortgage interest is not tax deductible. :wah However, if you buy income property the mortgage interest is tax deductible. Many Kiwis leverage their personal homes to the hilt and buy at least one other house that they rent out and take the deduction.

On the positive side, there is no capital gains tax! Woo hoo! :nice1

So for most people, buying a simple home to live in is a breeze. One more great reason to live in New Zealand!

MelissaLG
16th September 2004, 11:00 AM
One word of caution. In NZ the norm is "buyer beware" and this is nowhere more true than when buying a home. Given leaky house syndrome and lots of other issues I have heard about, not to mention that the vendor and the realtor are not bound by the same ethical obligations to disclose defects, etc. as in the US, I recommend as did Rich that you get a building inspection and have your solicitor run a title search.

Raeven
16th September 2004, 11:55 AM
Hi, Rich,

As always, another super informative post!! I hope you don't mind; I refer people to your stuff all the time, because it's always so thorough and well-written. The forum has a real treasure in you!!

This post of yours is especially timely for us, as we are very close to purchasing a property in NZ.. we weren't planning to do so before living there as you wisely suggest, but the prospective property meets so many of our needs -- which are unique and rather weird -- we just didn't feel we could pass it up. Thanks to you and the posts of Karl and others, we knew to get copies of rights of way, easements, title search, home inspection, look into leaky house syndrome and other such items. Because it is a lifestyle block, we also looked into water rights, property boundaries, soil tests and livestock movement on adjoining properties. Also have friends and family sussing out what they can on the neighbors!!

Melissa, your point is very well taken about "buyer beware." It's a big difference for us Yanks, who are accustomed to our disclosure laws. Fortunately my husband sold real estate and was a in Australia for 9 years -- similar property laws to NZ -- and knew what (not) to expect!!

Wish us luck.. it's still going to take a few minor miracles to pull all this off!!!

All the best, Rae

richsadams
17th September 2004, 05:59 PM
Hi Rae, Melissa and All :cool

Thanks for the kind words Rae...YOU are a treasure here for sure! :nice1

Can't blame you for buying if it's the right place for you. You've certainly done your homework. "Good on ya'" as they say here.

Getting an inspection, a LIM Report and associated feedback is all very important because as Melissa points out so well...hardly anyone is looking out for the buyer.

We did find however that our solicitor was very good at giving us guidance and checking out things for us (beyond a title search, etc.). They know what to ask for and can bring legal action if anything is misrepresented, etc. We relied on him a lot.

We've also come to find that the vendor's real estate agent was someone to trust as well. Although she represented the buyer, she was a goldmine of information for us. She, like many real estate agents, lives in the community that they market and can't afford a bad reputation. So although the disclosure laws don't exist here, in a way they do as part of the Kiwi culture.

Agents want more business and our experience is that honesty is a little more important than where we came from. They aren't out for the almighty dollar, they actually care about you. Even after we settled in the agent has contacted us several times to see how we're doing and if she could do anything else for us. The same goes with our solicitor.

Buying a house in NZ has been a good experience all around. :mrgreen:

SoCal Gal
18th September 2004, 04:57 AM
Hi gang,
I just wanted to echo Rich's words about our own solicitor and seller's vendor. We have heard several times from local people, when offering referrals, something along the lines of "they live in the community, they have to have a good reputation" and it is so TRUE!!! Plus, our solicitor (you know we live in CA, and this was all done after we came back from our holiday - where we made an offer on a house we had seen on the internet) was so amazing, we had some issues with sending over the $$$ (trying to keep too many banks' mitts off it!) and ended up sending extra, and the solicitor put it in an account for us, bought us house insurance, and helped with a lot of other small things that HE thought of!! Absolutely unbelievable. When I put our house up for sale here, I am totally dreading the whole b.s. smiley real estate lady thing.....and my apologies to any geniunely decent smiley real estate ladies out there! Come meet me and help me!! :cool

justin.g.s
18th September 2004, 03:03 PM
My mom is a real estate agent in the orange county/L.A area. She will be more than willing to give a,"kiwi discount" on her commission, on any listings.

They are planning on moving over to N.Z in the next year or so, and would be quite happy to help anyone going through the same process.

You can P.M me to get her work numbers

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