[BadlyDrawnGirl]

Hi everyone! Just wanted to introduce myself, and ask a few questions about the path to New Zealand residency.

My partner and I are just about ready to submit our EOI. We met while on a working holiday in New Zealand and lived there for about two years; we had always wanted to settle there but (due to some bad immigration advice at the time) we didn't think we were able to apply for residency while actually in the country, so when our working visas ran out, we left the country and are currently living in the UK (I'm American, he's British). We are in LOVE with New Zealand and desperately want to go back! Last month we attended one of those Move To NZ job and immigration fairs in London, and the NZIS representative we spoke to seemed really enthusiastic that we would be a shoe-in - in fact, when he quickly ran through our estimated points, he came up with 120. So he encouraged us to apply as soon as possible.

My problem is, every time I do the points indicator quiz I get a different result from the points I get both from doing the paper version and from doing the online version! I'm going to submit the EOI anyway, but I decided to do the paper version, since at least that way I'll have a human being doing the scoring and not a computer program (my Points Indicator quiz comes out with 115 points, but my online application is standing at only 100, and I have NO idea what I'm doing differently between the two of them).

So my basic info is that I'm 26 years old with a Bachelor of Arts in Journalism & Mass Communications, which seems to fall under the "Creative Industries" section of the Identified Future Growth Areas list. I do not have a job offer, as no one will give you one without interviewing you first! I plan to eventually go to law school, so I have one year of paralegal experience which does nothing for me, but I also worked in the media industry both in America and in New Zealand, so I was counting these as a total of two years' relevant experience, including one year of that experience in New Zealand. (However I am concerned that for a couple of these jobs, my job title does not immediately scream "creative stuff!!" - i.e. Newspaper Sales & Marketing Coordinator, where I was responsible for managing artwork and text for advertisements. It was not a sales role. But I don't want to use that title if the Immigration officer is just going to take one look at it and throw it in the bin.)

My partner also has an International Baccalaureate in Commerce which we have been advised is equivalent to a graduate certificate and therefore should qualify as a recognised basic qualification (but again unless we spend $500 getting it officially evaluated we won't know for sure).

So, these are the categories for which I should be receiving points:

XX points for my age.
XX points for my bachelor's degree.
XX points for 2 years' of experience in an area of future growth.
XX points for 1 year of that experience taking place in New Zealand.
XX points for my partner's qualification.

Unfortunately I cannot for the life of me figure out what these point totals should be, since (as I've said) every time I do it I get a different total. Perhaps someone can help me get a better idea of what my chances of being accepted are??

[BkyMonster]

You should check on the online version that all areas are completely filled in. That will throw your points off. Online EOI is better in my opinion as it is cheaper, quicker and more accurate.

If your job title was different then there is a section at the bottom of the work experience section to illustrate why you think the job should be counted toward experience in the area.

hth and good luck

[BadlyDrawnGirl]

As far as I can tell the only fields I haven't yet filled in are ones where we just need to get our hands on a bit of information, like my birth certificate number or my old IRD number. But I'll give it another look over. It just worries me because, I obviously am supposed to have more than just 100 points since both the indicator quiz and the NZIS rep said that I should have over 115. It just doesn't seem fair that you're entirely at the mercy of the system! Let alone the fact that the immigration.govt.nz website is DOWN half the time...

Maybe if I break down the points as I've calculated them so far, I can figure out where I'm going wrong:

30 points for my age.
50 points for my bachelor's degree.
10 points for 2 years' of experience in an area of future growth.
5 points for 1 year of that experience taking place in New Zealand.
10 points for my partner's qualification.

That's all I can come up with, so I'm still missing at least 10 points from the indicator quiz?? Is there something I'm missing?

[BkyMonster]

I just meant that the online EOI won't award you the points for the section unless all fields are filled in. Even some little box where you just need to check yes/no. Kind of silly like that. You really have to go over it with a fine toothed comb sometimes.

As for the indicator quiz.. english language ability maybe?

I'm also not sure how the indicator quiz and the actual EOI differ on experience in a future growth area. I seem to remember getting 120 points on my first EOI with the same age, bachelors degree, area of future growth was 6 years for me, but none in NZ, and 20 (?)points for my husbands bachelors degree. That's 30+50+??+20.

The future growth area points might be an area to look at then?

Sorry can't be of more help.

[BadlyDrawnGirl]

Oh right, I suppose I'll wait and see what happens when the online EOI is all complete. Out of curiosity, am I going to really have to try and hit 115 points in order to have a hope in hell of getting in? It's really infuriating because I have clearly proven capable of finding employment in New Zealand since I worked there for two years... :laugh We kick ourselves every day for even leaving in the first place, and we wouldn't have if we'd been told we couldn't apply for residency while in the country. Sigh...

[Pink Tracy]

Hi, I would not panic unduly, the EOI are selected if you received over 100 points, when you have been selected which is done automatically by NZIS systems directly on what you have stated.

It makes no difference if you have 100 or 140 points you are allocatd all the same, it only speeds up your application if you have a job offer, they are obviously dealt with first.

It is then re-assessed and quality checked by an officer who check what you have stated, ask you any questions f they have any and do high level checks ie: making sure you not been thrown out of NZ! and then they will invite you to apply for residence. Its then that you have to do the leg work to prove everything you have claimed is true. Thats when the fun begins.

Good luck

Tracy

[BadlyDrawnGirl]

Thanks for the reassurance! I didn't realise that if you had over 100 points your application would automatically be considered; I just thought it meant that it wouldn't automatically not be considered.

Really, it seems to me like we have a really solid case, as young college graduates in their 20's with a proven ability to settle. I suppose if for whatever reason (originally I would have been shocked, but reading all the rejection stories I'm no longer so sure!) they reject our initial EOI, my partner is currently taking his HGV licensing course, so if all else fails we could probably apply under him, since HGV driving is on the immediate skills shortage list, no?

Barring that, we could just head there on a visitor visa and get a job offer that way. I was told that this isn't possible, but it seems like a lot of people do this?...

Just trying to keep my options open. ;) Let us back in, New Zealand!!

[BadlyDrawnGirl]

I'm also not sure how the indicator quiz and the actual EOI differ on experience in a future growth area. I seem to remember getting 120 points on my first EOI with the same age, bachelors degree, area of future growth was 6 years for me, but none in NZ, and 20 (?)points for my husbands bachelors degree. That's 30+50+??+20.
Sorry, I just thought that your partner's degree only gives you 10 points? Plus as I said, I have no idea if an International Baccalaureate will meet the requirements. He went to secondary school in France, and of course out of all the countries listed on the NZQA list, France is the only major European country that isn't listed!

[victoria24]

Hi, I would not panic unduly, the EOI are selected if you received over 100 points, when you have been selected which is done automatically by NZIS systems directly on what you have stated.

It makes no difference if you have 100 or 140 points you are allocatd all the same, it only speeds up your application if you have a job offer, they are obviously dealt with first.

It is then re-assessed and quality checked by an officer who check what you have stated, ask you any questions f they have any and do high level checks ie: making sure you not been thrown out of NZ! and then they will invite you to apply for residence. Its then that you have to do the leg work to prove everything you have claimed is true. Thats when the fun begins.

Good luck

Tracy
hi

for the past 2 selections, the draw has taken 110 points and above with no job offer so its deffo worth "finding" those other points to speed things up:nice1

[BadlyDrawnGirl]

hi

for the past 2 selections, the draw has taken 110 points and above with no job offer so its deffo worth "finding" those other points to speed things up:nice1
Well like I said, I've had two independent assessments that both came up at 115 points and above. The only issue is with the online EOI. But again, I'll just have to report back when we finish all the fields (going to try and tackle it this weekend since it seems like time is of the essence).

[BadlyDrawnGirl]

Also just out of curiosity, what sorts of things are they likely to ask me if and when my EOI is selected. Will I have to get signed documents from all of my previous employers? Just wondering, because most of my past jobs were overseas (either in New Zealand or in the States) and some of them go back quite awhile, to 2005 while I was still in university.

[BkyMonster]

Pay statements or tax documents will also work for proof of work experience.

[BadlyDrawnGirl]

Hmm...well, for most of the time that I've been employed, I've been working through an agency, so my payslips would not be directly from the company. Although I could provide evidence from the agency proving that I worked here for such and such a time, and so on...

[BadlyDrawnGirl]

Crap. Well, I figured out where the missing points were; since there were some blank fields in the sections about my partner's information, they weren't calculating the points for his qualification.

Unfortunately, once I figured that out, I had a hunt around for information about how NZQA assess an International Baccalaureate, and found this page: http://www.nzqa.govt.nz/providers/course-accreditations.do?providerId=132001001&delSiteInd=0

This seems to indicate that they only consider it a Level 3, so excluding this, we're knocked back down to 100 points. :(

Is there even any point to applying then? I can't believe this is happening to us, it seems like if I don't get a job offer we basically have no way of getting back there....

[BadlyDrawnGirl]

I just wanted to add to my last post that I have been reading through previous discussions and it seems that an EOI with 100 points and no job offer are unlikely to be successful unless the applicant has a qualification or experience in a "skilled" or "shortage skills" area. Does my work/degree in a future growth area count for this? I didn't see any bonus points being awarded for my work experience in New Zealand, would this help at all? It seems really unfair that if my partner had finished his bachelor's degree (he left midway through to join the Army) we would be a shoe-in...

[BkyMonster]

If you need to go back to get a job offer I would recommend (though not from personal experience) the BUNAC visa. It is similar to a WHV but available to people who have already used the WHV or are over 30 but under 35.

But no, future growth area isn't the same as area of long term skill shortage.

[BadlyDrawnGirl]

If you need to go back to get a job offer I would recommend (though not from personal experience) the BUNAC visa. It is similar to a WHV but available to people who have already used the WHV or are over 30 but under 35.

But no, future growth area isn't the same as area of long term skill shortage.
Unfortunately I have already used up my one year BUNAC visa. :( As an American it was the only way I had of extending my stay to two years, I did one year through BUNAC and the one year through the public working holiday scheme. So it really seems as though there are no other options for me, unless I take the risk of entering on a visitor's visa and job-hunting that way...but won't most employers be suspicious of someone asking for work on a visitor visa?

I TRULY cannot believe that New Zealand was perfectly happy to employ me and take my tax dollars for two years while I was on a working holiday but now that I want to settle permanently they don't find me "qualified" enough... :wah

[Pink Tracy]

Good luck, go for it, its the start of a long road and the rest of your lives. x :raebanana

[BadlyDrawnGirl]

Good luck, go for it, its the start of a long road and the rest of your lives. x :raebanana
Sorry for being daft, but go for what? :laugh You think I have a shot with 100 points, or should I just ditch that and head to New Zealand on a visitor visa?

[Pink Tracy]

You have got 115 points confirmed, go for the residency visa. x Good luck:)

[BadlyDrawnGirl]

You have got 115 points confirmed, go for the residency visa. x Good luck:)
Er...sorry, but my online EOI is only giving me 100 points, since I cannot claim for my partner's qualification.

[BadlyDrawnGirl]

OMG, I really want to bash my head against a wall...

I've just "discovered" another 5 points in my application that I was mistakenly not claiming for, since I had put 1 year of work experience in New Zealand when I really have 2.

So, I have 105 points now...only 5 points off of the minimum for selection. I am SOOOOOOO close it's killing me!...isn't there anything I can do to bump it up that extra 5 points??

[Flutterby]

There is ALWAYS a way, keep searching and don't give up, maybe you're partner can do a course to make up those extra 10 points?

[BadlyDrawnGirl]

There is ALWAYS a way, keep searching and don't give up, maybe you're partner can do a course to make up those extra 10 points?
The only qualification for which he'd be awarded points (with me as the principal) would be a full bachelor's degree, which would take him 3-4 years. Not feasible. I would just forget this whole thing until I could fly to New Zealand and get a job offer…but now the more I read, the more I'm seeing people say that this route is practically impossible now, for whatever reason.

What options do we have?? We do NOT want to be stuck in either the States or the UK for the rest of our lives. We never should have left New Zealand…we were stupid and believed the stupid advice given to us.

Should we just shell out the £2,000 for an immigration agent?... :wah

[JandM]

But it's surely only that the last two selections have taken 110 w/o job offer...? Of course you want to maximize your chances and find all possible points, but even as things are, you aren't beyond the limits. 110 isn't THE MINIMUM, full stop, it's just what they've taken the last twice. You're already on or over the real (100 points) minimum.

You said this.So it really seems as though there are no other options for me, unless I take the risk of entering on a visitor's visa and job-hunting that way...but won't most employers be suspicious of someone asking for work on a visitor visa?From what I've seen on this board, many many people follow this route. (Just don't say on your immigration forms that you're coming in on your holiday visa to apply for work - that's asking for complications.) People apply for jobs with the proviso that they'll have to get a work visa before being able to start - and you shouldn't have any difficulty getting a work visa because you have all these points for PR already. The thing that would be illegal is actually working while on a visitor's visa - you don't need to fear employers if you're not asking them to do anything illegal. If you use the Search facility on the blue bar above, it will pull up lots of people's experiences and comments on this topic.

[BadlyDrawnGirl]

But it's surely only that the last two selections have taken 110 w/o job offer...? Of course you want to maximize your chances and find all possible points, but even as things are, you aren't beyond the limits. 110 isn't THE MINIMUM, full stop, it's just what they've taken the last twice. You're already on or over the real (100 points) minimum.
But how many cases are you aware of where the EOI was selected with 100-110 points and no job offer? I haven't seen a single one.

I guess I'm just trying to figure out if we're throwing our money away with a worthless EOI that will never have a chance of being selected...if there is a chance, then we'll take it, but if not, we would be better off putting that money into a plane ticket and sending me to New Zealand to get a job offer.

The other reason I suppose I'm concerned about job-hunting on a visitor visa is that my OH actually went back to our former employer in Wellington (we worked for the same company for a while) and his boss was actually willing to sponsor him for a permanent job in the same department, but HR said no because they couldn't prove that they couldn't find a similiarly-qualified Kiwi to do the job. So I'm worried that this is going to be the response from most employers... :wah

[JandM]

Simulpost.

now the more I read, the more I'm seeing people say that this route is practically impossible now, for whatever reason.Where have you seen this? As I said before, there are any number of people on these boards who have done exactly what you're talking about.

Should we just shell out the £2,000 for an immigration agent?... All that an agent does is get information from you and enter it in the forms. They do not have strings to pull to make any application go through, if it wouldn't do so ONLY on the personal details of the applicant(s). Unless you have found more point-scoring information somewhere, an agent would only be taking your money for what you can already do yourself.

[Flutterby]

what if he went in on a BUNAC visa? or the HGV route for a job offer?

I think its fair to say that you are unlikely to get offered a job outside of the skill shortage areas. But Never say NEVER!

[BadlyDrawnGirl]

Where have you seen this? As I said before, there are any number of people on these boards who have done exactly what you're talking about.
Well, sorts of comments like this:

I think its fair to say that you are unlikely to get offered a job outside of the skill shortage areas. But Never say NEVER!
It's really quite silly, because I had no trouble finding a job in New Zealand each time I had to look for a new one (I broke up my working stints with backpacking so I had three different job hunts, each one taking less than two weeks before I found an employer). And as far as I'm aware, the only thing the company would have to do is provide a statement that they would be willing to employ me once I was approved for a work permit/PR. It's not as though they have to pay money or do any sort of labour force proof to show that they couldn't find Kiwis to do the job...right? Otherwise I never would have found a job while on a working hoilday...

But for some reason if you go to a job interview and say "I would love to work for you but I need to get PR first," the employer suddenly feels as though YOU'RE asking THEM to take on a risk by hiring you. Which isn't the case, is it?? But it's just a perception thing isn't it. :(

what if he went in on a BUNAC visa? or the HGV route for a job offer?
His HGV qualification is our Plan B, so hopefully if my EOI doesn't work out, we can re-apply under him. The HGV qualification itself wouldn't count as a recognised qualification, would it? But if he could get a job offer (is truck driving in demand down there?) those points plus the 20 for my degree should put us over the edge...I would hope...

I'm not sure if he would still be eligible for a BUNAC visa since he's already used up his two years' working hoilday time? Plus I don't think he would be very happy about going down there by himself, although I suppose if it would do us some good he wouldn't mind. We just don't know what our best option is at this point and we are getting more and more disheartened by the day.

[JandM]

Well, I haven't been collecting cases, and anyway, I don't think anecdotal evidence is going to be of any use. One of the members who's gone through this process and already got to NZ will no doubt be able to tell you where to look on the official NZ website to see the official figures.

Lots of people here will sympathize with your feelings. Everybody would like to have certainty about what is going to happen round the next corner.

This matter of proving there isn't a suitably qualified Kiwi - it's a matter of advertising the job in such a way that they don't get other applicants, isn't it?

[BadlyDrawnGirl]

Well, I haven't been collecting cases, and anyway, I don't think anecdotal evidence is going to be of any use. One of the members who's gone through this process and already got to NZ will no doubt be able to tell you where to look on the official NZ website to see the official figures.

Lots of people here will sympathize with your feelings. Everybody would like to have certainty about what is going to happen round the next corner.

This matter of proving there isn't a suitably qualified Kiwi - it's a matter of advertising the job in such a way that they don't get other applicants, isn't it?
Well, what I don't understand is, why would they have to advertise anything in the first place, since they just hired me with no questions asked when I already had a work visa? Why should it be any different? All they need to prove is that, IF I were authorised to work, they would hire me. Right? Am I missing something?

I know that certainties and guarantees are pretty unlikely in this sort of situation. I'm just trying to save myself any wasted money, and from what I seem to be hearing, an EOI with less than 110 points is pretty much pointless. :wah It would make me feel a lot better if I knew that at some point, a human being was actually going to read and analyse my application, since I really think the fact that my OH and I have already lived and worked in New Zealand for two years proves that we're well suited to settle there and that we're already familiar with the job market and the economic situation and that we would be a good fit for the country. Also that we're easily employable. It just doesn't make sense why they would be so happy to have us work and live there temporarily but that when we want to actually settle there permanently they think we aren't worthy. :(

Also, the other thing that really burns me is that OH eventually wants to join the NZ Police. That was his original goal when we were first in the country. Of course he was turned away, with the explanation that unless he's been serving as a police officer elsewhere for at least two years, he has to have permanent residency to join the cops. And they won't sponsor him. He spent three years in the British Army and clearly has a strong foundation in law enforcement and security operations, but they told us that makes no difference.

The reason why it burns me is because I ALSO worked for the NZ Police (in their Wellington headquarters) and I know just how desperate they are for new recruits. And yet people like my OH, whose dream is to join the cops, get turned away at the door with a snotty tone of rejection. I just can't believe how backwards the immigration system seems sometimes...

[BadlyDrawnGirl]

Also, I am now tremendously concerned that they will significantly lower my "recognised" employment history due to the fact that I took breaks to go backpacking. So, that pretty much leaves me with nothing.

I am just in shock…if I could go back and throttle the person who told us not to apply for PR while we were both in the country and had jobs…I would. I just want to cry. :wah

[Flutterby]

i think its the issue of a job offer as a stepping stone to a visa that is the issue with proving they couldn't find a kiwi, While you were there with a visa it would not have been an issue (you would have been treated like other kiwis)
but for the job offer to count in you application for PR doesn't it have to satisfy the skill shortage immigration rules?

[BadlyDrawnGirl]

i think its the issue of a job offer as a stepping stone to a visa that is the issue with proving they couldn't find a kiwi, While you were there with a visa it would not have been an issue (you would have been treated like other kiwis)
but for the job offer to count in you application for PR doesn't it have to satisfy the skill shortage immigration rules?
Umm...I thought that if you had ANY job offer it would be worth at least some points, although perhaps the bonus points are for a skill shortage. But I might be wrong??

In that case, since my degree/career is in an area of future growth and not immediate skill shortage I suppose I should just give up completely! And wait until my partner has his HGV license... :wah

[Flutterby]

no thats not what i meant, i meant to offer a job to someone without a visa it would have to satisfy the rule (that they have not found a kiwi to do the job)

It really does sound to me like you are trying to talk yourself out of it.

[BadlyDrawnGirl]

no thats not what i meant, i meant to offer a job to someone without a visa it would have to satisfy the rule (that they have not found a kiwi to do the job)

It really does sound to me like you are trying to talk yourself out of it.
No way...far from it, I'm trying to find SOME ray of hope that will give me some sign that this isn't all in vain. But it seems like every time I find some other possibility it gets shot down...I can't claim any points for my career/degree being in an area of future growth (so basically, the only way this would be worth anything would be if I already had a job offer, in which case I wouldn't NEED any bonus points), I can't claim hardly any points for my work experience because I have taken breaks in between jobs to go traveling - it seems like the only thing they couldn't possibly dispute are my age and the fact that I have a degree, which leaves me at only 80 points.

Of course, we will submit the EOI as it stands anyway, since any chance is better than none...but it kills me that we were already there once, and someone managed to talk us into leaving without applying for PR first. The whole thing is so discouraging sometimes that I do get quite negative about it without really meaning to. It's just that we can't imagine anywhere else that we would rather live, and feeling like this is becoming more and more of an impossibility just makes me so sad.

I guess the only thing I can think of is that if this EOI gets rejected, we'll apply under my OH, and if THAT one gets rejected, I'll fly to New Zealand and try like hell to get a job offer, so then by the time they get our third application in the mail they should just feel sorry for us and let us in. :laugh

Sorry, I think I misinterpreted what you said here: "but for the job offer to count in you application for PR doesn't it have to satisfy the skill shortage immigration rules?" To me, that sounded like you were saying that unless the job offer was in a skills-shortage area it wouldn't give me the 50 points for having a job offer. Sorry if I misread you.

[Flutterby]

Ok so i think this is where the issue of offering the jobs to Kiwis comes from:
I need to fill temporary positions and I can't find suitable workers in New Zealand.


Essential Skills Work Category

You will need to:
apply for an Approval in Principle to recruit workers from overseas, including evidence that you have been unable to find suitable staff in New Zealand
upon approval, recruit and provide job offers to suitable applicants, or
if you have one position available and have already located a suitable applicant, provide a job offer, complete the Employer Supplementary Form – Work Permit/Visa Application PDF [70KB], and include evidence of your efforts to recruit New Zealanders.

We would issue a work permit valid for the same period covered by the contract, up to a maximum of three years.
But that is just one criteria category, i think you would fit into this one:
I need a skilled, permanent worker. Skilled Migrant Category (residence)

You will need to:
provide a job offer for inclusion in the candidate’s application
check that the job meets immigration skill level requirements.
Which doesn't require them to offer it to a Kiwi but does need to meet the immigration skill level requirements.
I think that employers sometimes get confused by the rules and shy away from offering unless you have a visa as then its easier for them.

[Flutterby]

Sorry, I think I misinterpreted what you said here: "but for the job offer to count in you application for PR doesn't it have to satisfy the skill shortage immigration rules?" To me, that sounded like you were saying that unless the job offer was in a skills-shortage area it wouldn't give me the 50 points for having a job offer. Sorry if I misread you.

To clarify what i meant was that the employer has to satisfy a set of rules in order to offer YOU a job (as opposed to offering it to a New zealander or someone who already has the right to work in New Zealand)

I don't want to put you off or make you feel like you are not good enough, but on the edge of a recession it would seem illogic to offer jobs other than those for which they cannot find a local to do the job.

[BadlyDrawnGirl]

To clarify what i meant was that the employer has to satisfy a set of rules in order to offer YOU a job (as opposed to offering it to a New zealander or someone who already has the right to work in New Zealand)

I don't want to put you off or make you feel like you are not good enough, but on the edge of a recession it would seem illogic to offer jobs other than those for which they cannot find a local to do the job.
This is why my posts may come across as self-discouraging, not because I'm looking to talk myself out of it, but because it seems very unlikely at this point that we have any hope of ever getting back to New Zealand. :(

If we go with Plan B and apply under my OH with his HGV qualification, he will only have had (at best) a year of experience in driving, since he's only just taking his tests this Christmas season. And if he does end up getting in with a job offer, won't be be tied to that employer for two years? Which will push back him being able to apply to the cops that much longer.

Our other main possibility at this point is getting him a quick qualification that will be assessed at a level 5 or above, which would give us 20 extra points. Since he would just need to prove that he holds the qualification and not necessarily any work experience in that area, if we can find a trade course that would give him a certificate in a fairly short period of time (i.e. not years and years) it might work. Out of curiosity, what sorts of trade certificates would be assessed at a level 5? Does this include NVQs and such? (I'm not originally from the UK so I'm not too familiar with these things.)

[Flutterby]

i really don't know enough about the qualifications, hopefully someone else can answer that for you.

You have several plans up your sleeve and it really is just a case of chipping away at them until you come up trumps.
You don't have to take a job offer with a 2 year commitment, so he is not necessarily tied for that long, Maybe he can begin training while driving?

[BadlyDrawnGirl]

Another thing that just occurred to me, while we were in New Zealand he took and passed his LCQ (Liquor Controller Qualification) as he was working as an assistant bar manager in Paihia. How do you think this would be assessed by NZQA and could we possibly claim this as a recognised qualification?