[willow]

Hi

our son was diagnosed with a specific learning disability (dyslexia) 2years ago. He is 10 now. we have had a request from the medical assessor in nz asking for a more uptodate assessment by a "developmental paediatrician".

The problem is, in the uk dyslexia etc is not diagnosed by a paediatrician, it is an educational psychologist who sees children with such conditions. A paediatrician would not assess our son in the uk and send him to an ed psych.

We are stuck as the "MA is unavailable for 2 weeks"!! so, we are unable to get our CO to ask him/her if a uk educational psychologist is good enough or does he have some other professional in mind.

This is so frustrating....we are so close to the end of the PR application process and now we are stuck. I have booked our son in with an ed psych on thursday, but I am now worried a) he is not the professional we need b) our son could end up sitting through a 2 hour assessment and then we have to get another one done c) we waste £400 and then spend another on this mystery "developmental paediatrician.

If there is any UK parents out there who have done this process please please post asap to point me in the right direction. I am also posting this on medicals too in the hope someone will get back to me.

willow

[dusk]

I have no direct experience of this, but my advice, in the absence of the MA, is to contact an educational psychologist and see if you can have a chat to them about the terminology, they may be able to advise whether they will be a suitable person to see or be able to point you in the right direction. Worth a phoen call at any rate.

[willow]

thanks dusk.

i have spoken to the ed psych in the uk and they say that they are exactly the people to be doing the report.....that is the problem....what we think over here and what the medical assessor has in mind could be two seperate things. We can't get confirmation from NZ of what a "developmental paediatrician" equates to in the UK. which could result in £400 wasted and our son having to go through a stressful assessment twice. I am so cross that the medical assessors are uncontactable ("in new zealand at the moment")...surely NZIS can get them on a mobile or something. To get to this stage and have either a delay (until the MA resurfaces) or a child having to sit two tests/wasted money is ridiculous. we are using an agent too and they are stuck because the MA is out of contact.

slowly tearing my hair out

willow

[willow]

hoping there is someone out there who has had there childs medical referred to MA because of dyslexia!

[JandM]

So sorry for the tension you must be feeling.

[Joanne100]

Hi Willow, im sorry i cant help directly with ur question, but i too have a child with dyslexia and i know how u r feeling.
I spent £400 on an assessment the year before we came out as the UK school wouldnt give my daughter any extra help until someone said exactly wot was wrong with her and then had to repeat it all wen we got to the NZ as the New Zealand school wouldnt give her any extra help without a "NZ assessment", like the Uk one meant nothing, what i nightmare!!
I really didnt know what to do or who to turn to for help, but u do what u have to for ur child. so $400 was spent this time.
Seabrook McKenzie Centre was amazing, although we have spent alot of money, its been well worth it for her, she is doing so much better now.

I hope someone is able to answer ur question and u dont have to jump through the hoops like we had too on ur arrival in New Zealand.

Good luck to u and ur family.
Joanne

[peebles16]

Hi Willow

It makes total sense that the ed psych should to the report although why you need a specific assessment seems strange... Has you child previously been assessed by an Ed Psych? Would that report not suffice? No idea what a developmental paediatrician is or what they relate to but may be worth emailing special education at the Ministry of Education and asking them what they would expect you to have in terms of assessment: special.education@minedu.govt.nz

Hope you get some answers soon :yes

Karenx

[JandM]

From what I learnt in the context of UK education, a developmental paediatrician would be a doctor who cares for children whose physical development is not following the usual path, e.g. I remember a boy whose legs were not growing at the same rate as the rest of his body. People with suspected dyslexia and similar conditions were referred to educational psychologists, whose specialism is mental/perceptual difficulties. Perhaps in NZ, there is a supposition that 'development' is an umbrella term to cover the lot - physical, mental and perceptual.

[lockstock]

Anything Developmental includes conditions like autism and Asperger syndrome. The problem with the term 'Dyslexia' which covers a range of Specific Learning Difficulities (SpLD) and 'diagnosis' is that they sound medical. This is a historical problem which we are left with when the problems were first identified. It gave more credibility to the problems at the time but these days leaves us with the impression that SpLD is some kind of illness or disability. This is most certainly not the case and is one of the reasons which the concept of 'dyslexia' is so difficult for many people to grasp.

SpLD encompasses a range of difficulties not all of which pose problems at the same time. SpLD causes problems with reading, writing spelling etc - which are all learned skills and, if you think about it, none of which the human body/brain were designed for. It's only become apparent in the past 100 years or so with the desire for everyone to be able to read and write. Prior to that it didn't really matter because only a select few were deemed privileged enough to be allowed to read and write. Literacy skills in the working classes? Unthinkable at the time - even actively prevented.

But to today these skills are expected to be held by everyone. And like every other learned skill some people are very very good at acquiring them, others not so good even if they are capable of learning other skill well. To put it simply, for example, I can do a mean spaghetti bolognese (opening the jar all on my own and all) but even Nigella can't turn me into a cook. I can walk perfectly well but place my feet in a pair of skis and you can hear the air-ambulance firing up in the distance. But the fact that I can't cook or ski doesn't really affect my life a great deal. The whole education system is based on the need to have literacy skills.

If an individual has difficulty acquiring these skills there is great concern that s/he will be unable to access the education system - therefore causing problemsfor the people who designed the system. Ironically, the education systems in both UK and NZ (and elsewhere) have taken a long time to work out that maybe the 'one size fits all' idea doesn't suit everyone. SpLDs can be addressed and skills acquired but it takes a lot more time to teach them than to assume they have already been learned. The policy in both countries is now to provide the extra support need - although in practice there may be room for improvement.


I wonder in this case whether the person who referred it to the MA has misunderstood the 'diagnosis' (I prefer the term 'identification' of 'Dyslexia' ( I prefer SpLD) and has confused it with Asperger Syndrome or Autism which are developmental disorders. I suspect your main worry here is that you are unable, at the moment, to track down and get clarification on it all. Very frustrating when the only person who can answer you questions is unavailable. Hang in there Willow, I'm sure it will be sorted in the end. Use your original EP report - there should be no need to pay for another one. You may have to get another report in NZ but even that can be avoided if your school uses common sense. Remember that 'Dyslexia' only became officially recognised by NZ in April 2007. There are still large numbers of people who don't understand it. If your MA - or rather the person who sent it forward to the MA- has no idea, then this (your problem) is exactly what can happen.

Hope all goes well when the MA returns

[Tui2too]

:nice1
Excellent post Lockstock! I've been following this thread (as a mother with a teen-aged kid with a learning difference) and agree 100% with you. Hope it gets sorted out soon for the OP.
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[willow]

hi

it took a while to get some interest in my post, but i am now feeling a lot more confident that we are going down the right route. I totally agree lockstock that the MA has made a throw away comment about a "developmental paediatrician" because the diagnosis of dyslexia/understanding of it in nz is relatively new compared to the uk.

we are going ahead with our plan to see an ed psych and we will submit the report to the MA and challenge him/her if they say an ed psych is not the correct professional. I am actually a bit shocked that dyslexia is viewed as a condition that needs evidence about the "prognosis". Our son is in main stream school, he is a bright articulate child and the only people who will end up financing any help he needs in nz is us anyway!! It seems all the help for children with specific learning difficulties like dyslexia falls on parents, so why oh why are we having to provide more evidence.

chin up!

willow

[rizjunior]

Excellent post. It may not be helpful but last year India made a film on children with learning disabilities "TAREY ZAMEEN PER", I never knew dyslexia before but it was an educational specialist who had main role in film. I sincerely wish you good luck to sort this out.

[BkyMonster]

I am actually a bit shocked that dyslexia is viewed as a condition that needs evidence about the "prognosis".
This also struck me as incredibly bizarre. It seems strange it would make on the medical report TBH.
I've had quite a lot of friends with dyslexia and my mother tutors children with learning disabilities and it's awfully odd to me that it was viewed as a medical issue at all.

Good luck

[lockstock]

It is not a medical condition and should never have been referred to the MA. Someone has made a huge mistake.

[Tui2too]

I think the confusion comes from here, section B of the medical cert:

"If you are under 21 years of age,
are you in a special class or a special
school, or are you receiving special
support services or not at school
because of a disability?"

This line: "or are you receiving special support services"
A child with LD probably has an IEP, and is probably receiving some support (in a good school) this might include: extra time to do tests, a laptop with LD related software when needed, photo-copied notes, a resource teacher to turn to for extra help etc.

I keep delaying booking the medicals, the ITA has me so scared! You want to be very honest on all of it, but you don't want to raise flags where they aren't necessary. It seems to come down to interpretation..?

[Debbie]

It is not a medical condition and should never have been referred to the MA. Someone has made a huge mistake.

I haven't been on the forum for ages, but spotted this thread today and as a dyslexic person just wanted to confirm Lockstocks sentiments.
Dyslexia never came up in my medical and there is no reason why it should cause a problem with the medical. I also think it is a case of someone at NZIS not understanding the term. Hope you get this sorter ASAP without it costing you loads of money and stress.
Debbie

[willow]

we would still appreciate any personal experiences about the immigration process from parents from the uk who have emigrated with a child who has specific learning difficulties eg dyslexia. particularly in relationt to medicals and help that is available for the child in nz