[Mrs Pony]

So OH and I (when we're ready) would like to have kids here in NZ (as long as PR comes through) so that they can have dual citizenship. I read somewhere that you have to have IRRV in order to do that... What if you only have the RRV? Has anyone else gone through the process with the US?

[Helsandfamily]

When you have PR you become a permanent resident and I thought that once you had that your new baby would or could become a citizen of NZ, because they were born here regardless of your returning residency visa. (Whether RRV or IRRV). But you have to be a permanent resident for this to be the case.

[IanW99]

So OH and I (when we're ready) would like to have kids here in NZ (as long as PR comes through) so that they can have dual citizenship. I read somewhere that you have to have IRRV in order to do that... What if you only have the RRV? Has anyone else gone through the process with the US?

You only need to have RRV (well technically residence permit), see Changes to Citizenship by birth in NZ (http://www.citizenship.govt.nz/diawebsite.nsf/wpg_URL/Whats-new-Changes-to-Citizenship-by-Birth-in-New-Zealand-from-2006-FAQs?OpenDocument) for details.

Ian

[walshy]

so if you are a resident and have a child, the child is a citizen at birth? would the parents still have to wait for 5 years to become one?

[JandM]

Yes. There's no reason parents and children HAVE to have the same nationality/citizenship.

[sophiedb]

Yes. There's no reason parents and children HAVE to have the same nationality/citizenship.

This. My mum certainly didn't gain British citizenship by my birth, nor my husband by DD's birth :)

Sadly I didn't get NZ citizenship by hers either *phhhbt* but I suppose we were in the UK, so two negatives ;)

[Ana&Steve]

yep, PR for the parents for baby to have NZ citizenship. That's why we could use the non-tourist line at the airport last year, we had a baby with NZ passport. (and the mum had a UK passport and I had US:D) For my friends, if they decided to move back to NZ, having a child who is a NZ citizen has no bearing on their success, though when the baby turns 18 he could sponsor his parents.
Very different than what we're used to in the States!

[DMcG]

You can get your RRV converted into an IRRV after two years - for a suitable fee of course - when it expires. The trick is not to leave the country after it's expired without getting an IRRV - otherwise they don't have to let you back in the to NZ :wah

Dougie

[Mrs Pony]

Thanks everyone! Yea I had a friend that's been here for about 5 years just went to OZ and they almost didn't let her back into NZ because she never got IRRV! They had to call Immigration from the gate!

So as soon as we have PR whenever we have a baby he or she would be able to have NZ & US citizenship... I'm sure it's just loads of paperwork to get done... whenever the time comes I think I would see about going to the US Embassy and see what I would have to do for that part...

[globetrecker]

I'm going to throw in a 3rd one here: What if one parent is American and the other is Canadian, and we have a baby here once we get PR. Which dual residency will the baby get? Do we get to choose?

[Mrs Pony]

I'm going to throw in a 3rd one here: What if one parent is American and the other is Canadian, and we have a baby here once we get PR. Which dual residency will the baby get? Do we get to choose?

oh throwing a curve ball in there! Can you be a citizen of 3 countries!?

[TonnyTessa]

yes, you can have triple residency, as long as this is allowed by the countries concerned. I have friends with three sets. Some countries however won't allow even dual citizenship. For instance I come from the Netherlands where you are only allowed to have more than one under very special circumstances, so no NZ passport for me.......

[sophiedb]

oh throwing a curve ball in there! Can you be a citizen of 3 countries!?

I'm pretty sure DD is eligible for French as well as British and Kiwi citizenships. I have been thinking about registering her as such before we leave Europe, because as with so many other things immigration.. the goalposts could move one day *sigh*

Of course, she may not be eligible. I gained my French citizenship through Mum, but was born in the UK. If I'd been born and raised in France rather than the UK, DD wouldn't be eligible for UK citizenship, but I can't see that rule in the French regs.

That said, I fully intend to get Kiwi citizenship someday, which would make me triple passported! :)

[JandM]

whenever the time comes I think I would see about going to the US Embassy and see what I would have to do for that part...It's probably on the website of the US Embassy. The equivalent regulations for UK citizenship of NZ-born children are there at the British Embassy website.

[James 1077]

My Dad used to have tri-citizenship; NZ, UK and Fiji. He had to give up his Fiji citizenship at some point though as they stopped allowing multiple citizenships (I think it was the last time they were booted out of the Commonwealth following a coup). He could get it back now but doesn't see the point as 2 is sufficient for his needs!

[BkyMonster]

There's information about how to do it on the US embassy to NZ webpage iirc. The process has to be done via the consulate general, which is in Auckland
http://newzealand.usembassy.gov/birth_abroad.html
To get a passport you can see what you need to do here http://newzealand.usembassy.gov/minor.html

[dharder]

oh throwing a curve ball in there! Can you be a citizen of 3 countries!?

Yes, my kids have three passports. As long as each country, as James said, is okay with it, it is no problem. My children don't have to choose one one day, but that depends a bit on each country and how you acquired the citizenship.

Daniela

[M-Squared]

When it comes down to it, country A cannot say you are not allowed to have country B's citizenship as your passport from country B doesn't belong to country A. I and daughter both have dual nationality, and fully intend on getting NZ citizenship in a few years.

[dharder]

When it comes down to it, country A cannot say you are not allowed to have country B's citizenship as your passport from country B doesn't belong to country A.

That is true, but what they do in the case of the German authorities is that they take away the nationality they can, i.e. the German one. So even though country A cannot forbid you to apply for another citizenship, they can ensure it wouldn't be a 'dual' one by withdrawing theirs.

Daniela

[GrumpyGoat]

We fully intend to naturalize here and get the NZ passports.

I never plan to renew my US passport. Adult passports are 10 years so not really an issue.

The children have 5 year passports so they will expire before we can become citizens of NZ. So we just won't travel outside of NZ (and really, there is sooo much to see and do in NZ--why do we need to?) until they can get NZ passports. (Or just leave them in NZ while we jump over for a holiday:D)

The only issue is traveling to the US--which requires that you enter on your US passport.

We have decided to just never return. Honestly, I am a bit afraid of the "lists" and getting out of there does not seem certain these days. No thank you.
My friends and family have been invited to NZ to visit us.
Hopefully, the children will follow suit when they are grown but that choice will be theirs.
If we have another baby in NZ, I will not register the birth in the US nor attempt to secure any american citizenship. The baby will be a Kiwi.

[Mrs Pony]

definitely good to know! When the time comes we want our kid(s) to have the opportunity to go wherever and I think that with the NZ passport they will have a much easier time getting where they want to go! Since all of our family is in the US we want them to have both not just a NZ...in case something ever happened to us

[Kiwi Mac]

I have some friends in Chch who have 3 children.

The last was born here after they got PR so is a citizen.

Seems odd that the entire family could (theoretically) have PR revoked and be booted out but the wee one could stay...!