shagen
30th November 2004, 04:07 PM
Wow! Amazing pics!
Cheers,
Cheers,
leslie
30th November 2004, 10:17 PM
i love all these photographs of mountains etc - but i've been there! my hub, on the other hand, hasn't, and is beginning to worry there is little else. am going to start a thread for recommended restaurants, city corners etc...
nice way to spend a day though - if you were here you'd likely have been in traffic. congratulations on the anniv
nice way to spend a day though - if you were here you'd likely have been in traffic. congratulations on the anniv
Moorf
30th November 2004, 10:27 PM
Well we've been up and down mountains on several continents and I could NEVER get bored of them. :laugh
As for restaurants.. there are always good restaurants in every town, but there's only one Mt Cook on the South Island :nice1
Thread for restaurants would be good though.. being a foodie myself I'm always interested to know where the good ones are...
As for restaurants.. there are always good restaurants in every town, but there's only one Mt Cook on the South Island :nice1
Thread for restaurants would be good though.. being a foodie myself I'm always interested to know where the good ones are...
leslie
30th November 2004, 10:45 PM
ahhhhhh, but there is only one south island.
shagen
1st December 2004, 02:30 PM
....and only one New Zealand!
Moorf
1st December 2004, 02:30 PM
:clap :clap
Yogi
1st December 2004, 09:14 PM
Isn't the South Island just a name tourists and North Islanders give it? Most people I spoke to down there called it the mainland!
Cheers,
Yogi.
Cheers,
Yogi.
Diny
1st December 2004, 09:59 PM
...........also commonly known as the 'Mouth Island' .......
Tate6
2nd December 2004, 04:29 AM
AWESOME pictures!! Keep them coming!!
Happy belated Anniversary!!
Terry
Happy belated Anniversary!!
Terry
jesselyn
2nd December 2004, 07:39 AM
hi moorf and woz,
belated happy anniversary! http://tcwozere.co.uk/smileys/girly12.gif
take care,
jes :angel
belated happy anniversary! http://tcwozere.co.uk/smileys/girly12.gif
take care,
jes :angel
xanctus
2nd December 2004, 08:13 AM
moorf and woz...happy belated anniversary. :cheers
pleccy2000
20th January 2005, 09:30 PM
You know what? Tough old Moorf "I'll never get homesick" had a little pang of it today !!! I am putting it down to jet lag and tiredness and a little culture shock (even though it does feel a little like we flew all the way round the world and ended up back in the UK (did I mention the rain?!!)).
We are totally happy with what we have seen so far - we tramped round a supermarket or two to see if we would starve but it all looks FINE!!
Moorf
Do you still feel like this at all? Just curious...
We are totally happy with what we have seen so far - we tramped round a supermarket or two to see if we would starve but it all looks FINE!!
Moorf
Do you still feel like this at all? Just curious...
Moorf
20th January 2005, 09:48 PM
Oh yes Pleccy, I sure do - but not as much as I used to.
The initial whirlwind of moving here, getting sorted, getting hubby a job (he's principal applicant), finding a rental, sorting bank a/c, budgeting and all the rest really took it's toll on me. At first it would be every other day that I'd feel low (I describe it as "low" but really it's a horrid, horrid feeling of lonliness / what the hell have I done / I've lost everything / etc) - I literally couldn't get out of bed at one point and at other times I'd demand that Warren hand over my return ticket to the UK! :eek
BUT.. after a couple of months.. yes MONTHS , not weeks.. those days are few and far between and the good days have taken over. I don't expect to feel totally fine with everything for a few more months yet. I need to get past family anniversaries, friends weddings, get-togethers etc and STILL feel I want to stay before I can honestly say that I am settled and here for good. In fact, I do have a "back up" thought which I use and that is that I pretend that I am only here for 5 yrs! Don't ask me why I do that... but it works for me!! :nice1
The initial whirlwind of moving here, getting sorted, getting hubby a job (he's principal applicant), finding a rental, sorting bank a/c, budgeting and all the rest really took it's toll on me. At first it would be every other day that I'd feel low (I describe it as "low" but really it's a horrid, horrid feeling of lonliness / what the hell have I done / I've lost everything / etc) - I literally couldn't get out of bed at one point and at other times I'd demand that Warren hand over my return ticket to the UK! :eek
BUT.. after a couple of months.. yes MONTHS , not weeks.. those days are few and far between and the good days have taken over. I don't expect to feel totally fine with everything for a few more months yet. I need to get past family anniversaries, friends weddings, get-togethers etc and STILL feel I want to stay before I can honestly say that I am settled and here for good. In fact, I do have a "back up" thought which I use and that is that I pretend that I am only here for 5 yrs! Don't ask me why I do that... but it works for me!! :nice1
veronica
20th January 2005, 10:04 PM
We all have our tricks of coping and for me if I feel really fed up I just block it. If I start to get a case of the if onlys, or the other negative thoughts they just start to spiral round and get bigger and bigger, total out of proportion so if I feel like that I just blank it Misery feeds on misery and it can get really debilitating. At least I dont get like that very often, mainly because we have been so busy setting up the ski business and the backpackers, but it does creep in when you least expect it. We have left in the UK a foster daughter with an 11 year old son who used to live with us right up until we left and I only have to see a grubby blonde lad with glasses and it gets to me (especially if the glasses are held together with tape!!). Thank goodness for messenger and web cams. The other thing is the more you do and the more people you meet the less melancholy thoughts you have. also for us the dogs are a big help, get a lot of comfort from them.
leslie
20th January 2005, 11:19 PM
as a rower i developed a technique i fondly call 'wallowing'. when in ultimate pain i jack in the stiff upper lip, instead winge, moan and occassionally weep to the depths of my soul for a quarter hour and then move on. sometimes even lie on the floor on my back (when your legs hurt too much to climb the stairs and crawl into bed this is especially good) and gaze at the ceiling - its wierdly therapeutic and at times fascinating.
sounds wierd, cant explain but always feel better.
sounds wierd, cant explain but always feel better.
Moorf
25th January 2005, 12:59 PM
I GOT MY WORK PERMIT AND WORK VISA TODAY :P :P
In fact, I got 4! :uhoh Well, firstly they have put a Permit AND a Visa in my passport, but they screwed up the first set of 2 and had to stamp VOID all over them and then they issued them with the CORRECT leaving date :roll: Glad I spotted their mistake as otherwise I'd have had to leave the country next weekend!! :?
Was it easy? Yes... very. I made an appt to see my case officer at the Chch office for 10am today.. I took along a letter from my husband Warren which stated he was my hubby and that he had a job and visa etc and how long we'd been married. I also took his passport with his Work Visa in it.. plus my marriage cert and, of course, a completed application form.
I think I was nearly a dead woman in the Immigration Office.. there was a huge queue and I just waltzed past them all and said I had an appt oooh if looks could kill - I think some of them had been camping there for weeks by the state of them :eek - I was whisked to a corner where I gave in my bits, he said come back in an hour. I came back an hour later, smuggly walked past the SAME people in the queue :laugh and he handed me my passport ... DONE (well, except for the date issue but he sorted that in mins!!).
So, if you are in NZ and have a case officer allocated for your ITA... contact them for visa's etc and you'll be whizzed through.. :nice1
In fact, I got 4! :uhoh Well, firstly they have put a Permit AND a Visa in my passport, but they screwed up the first set of 2 and had to stamp VOID all over them and then they issued them with the CORRECT leaving date :roll: Glad I spotted their mistake as otherwise I'd have had to leave the country next weekend!! :?
Was it easy? Yes... very. I made an appt to see my case officer at the Chch office for 10am today.. I took along a letter from my husband Warren which stated he was my hubby and that he had a job and visa etc and how long we'd been married. I also took his passport with his Work Visa in it.. plus my marriage cert and, of course, a completed application form.
I think I was nearly a dead woman in the Immigration Office.. there was a huge queue and I just waltzed past them all and said I had an appt oooh if looks could kill - I think some of them had been camping there for weeks by the state of them :eek - I was whisked to a corner where I gave in my bits, he said come back in an hour. I came back an hour later, smuggly walked past the SAME people in the queue :laugh and he handed me my passport ... DONE (well, except for the date issue but he sorted that in mins!!).
So, if you are in NZ and have a case officer allocated for your ITA... contact them for visa's etc and you'll be whizzed through.. :nice1
Timbo
25th January 2005, 01:09 PM
Well done Helen. I hope to follow suit before the year is out, :nice1
shagen
25th January 2005, 01:15 PM
That was a breeze!
Thanks for the tip! :nice1
Wonder why all those people are lining up for so long?
Shagen
Thanks for the tip! :nice1
Wonder why all those people are lining up for so long?
Shagen
Moorf
25th January 2005, 01:38 PM
Shagen
Warren had to queue back in November when he went for his Work Visa - he had to wait for FIVE hours. This is because we had no Case Officer at the time as we only got our ITA on Xmas Eve.
The people queueing and filling out forms etc are waiting to be seen by an immigration officer but not an allocated one.
Moorf
Warren had to queue back in November when he went for his Work Visa - he had to wait for FIVE hours. This is because we had no Case Officer at the time as we only got our ITA on Xmas Eve.
The people queueing and filling out forms etc are waiting to be seen by an immigration officer but not an allocated one.
Moorf
lindajax
25th January 2005, 07:20 PM
Thats great news - I bet your well chuffed and rightly so!!
Linda xxx
Linda xxx
leslie
25th January 2005, 09:12 PM
well, this morning i'm off for a blood test in wimbledon. its the 3rd time they've drawn it. the first bottle top was the wrong colour, then they re-did test only to have lab say no-go????? and throw it out. i am taking a good book and pyjamas.
yesterday i went to the local sorting office (3rd time - maybe its putney???) to retrieve ita only to find a MAJOR sort office closes at 1pm. on the positive side, at least they didn't have the 20-strong unmoving line of saturday am.
yesterday i went to the local sorting office (3rd time - maybe its putney???) to retrieve ita only to find a MAJOR sort office closes at 1pm. on the positive side, at least they didn't have the 20-strong unmoving line of saturday am.
Jo and Andy
25th January 2005, 11:17 PM
Well Done Moorf
So wait till I get an ITA then come on out and get the rest sorted from there. Once you are sent your ITA you have a case officer right
Linda
Good luck.
So wait till I get an ITA then come on out and get the rest sorted from there. Once you are sent your ITA you have a case officer right
Linda
Good luck.
Moorf
25th January 2005, 11:35 PM
I can't say whether that would be a good thing or not Jo as we were here before we got our ITA... and I'd hate to advise you to do something that I know little about... for instance, I don't know if Immigration holds database of ITA's in progress that they might be able to refer to at the airport immigration desk when you arrive which might then look strange if you were on visitors visas? (I think this cropped up on another thread somewhere..) :?
BUT.. having said that, there is nothing to stop anyone coming across on a Visitors Visa and then applying for a Work Visa... gets confusing!
Best bet would be to ask your Case Officer! They aren't half as "strict" as I thought they would be.. mine almost took my out of date med report saying "hmm I guess I COULD get them through" but then when I said hubby's also ran out same time he said "see if you can get them re-signed here in NZ, if not, talk to me and we'll see what we can work out" !!!!
BUT.. having said that, there is nothing to stop anyone coming across on a Visitors Visa and then applying for a Work Visa... gets confusing!
Best bet would be to ask your Case Officer! They aren't half as "strict" as I thought they would be.. mine almost took my out of date med report saying "hmm I guess I COULD get them through" but then when I said hubby's also ran out same time he said "see if you can get them re-signed here in NZ, if not, talk to me and we'll see what we can work out" !!!!
Moorf
26th January 2005, 10:00 PM
HEY EVERYONE... WE'VE BOUGHT A HOUSE!!! :P :P
http://www.harcourts.co.nz/listing/details.do?rul=/search/process.do?pg=1&ts=52305209&sta=1001&zon=1088&br=B &reg=1009&id=247353
We are so pleased - we viewed it before Xmas and then it went off the market - came back on 1 week ago and we raced to see it this evening and signed on the dotted line ... couple of conditions but they are pretty much sorted :nice1
:cheers
http://www.harcourts.co.nz/listing/details.do?rul=/search/process.do?pg=1&ts=52305209&sta=1001&zon=1088&br=B &reg=1009&id=247353
We are so pleased - we viewed it before Xmas and then it went off the market - came back on 1 week ago and we raced to see it this evening and signed on the dotted line ... couple of conditions but they are pretty much sorted :nice1
:cheers
Nicola
26th January 2005, 10:05 PM
Congrats Helen and Warren :nice1
House looks really nice. Does the cat come included in the package. :P
Nicola
House looks really nice. Does the cat come included in the package. :P
Nicola
markkellaway
26th January 2005, 10:19 PM
Helen,
Looks really nice, with privacy and character. Lulling that cat into a false sense of security before the dog gets there is a bit wicked though! :uhoh
Now the roots are getting firmly planted in NZ. :nice1
Mark. :P
Looks really nice, with privacy and character. Lulling that cat into a false sense of security before the dog gets there is a bit wicked though! :uhoh
Now the roots are getting firmly planted in NZ. :nice1
Mark. :P
shagen
26th January 2005, 10:34 PM
Way to go Warren & Helen :nice1
So when's the house warming?
So when's the house warming?
Soon2baKiwi
26th January 2005, 10:36 PM
Well done Moorf and Woz :clap That's a lovely house but what a great setting too. Wishing you many years of happiness there. What's the timeframe for moving in?
Diny
26th January 2005, 10:51 PM
What a lovely house. I like the huge decking area too. What a fantastic price - can you imagine what a 4 bedroom house that size would cost in the UK :eek
Tell me .... was it the built in wine rack in the kitchen that clinched the sale? :?
Diny
Tell me .... was it the built in wine rack in the kitchen that clinched the sale? :?
Diny
Jo and Andy
26th January 2005, 11:44 PM
Fantastic, what a gorgeous house, and what a gorgeous price. Have fun setting up your new home. Summer will really enjoy the garden, all the wildlife to bark at and chase.
Congratulations, have a drink on us.
:cheers
Andy just rang me stuck in a traffic jam, saying "GET ME TO NZ, WE ARE NICE WHY HAVEN'T THEY SAID YES YET", he is not good at waiting.
:clap
Congratulations, have a drink on us.
:cheers
Andy just rang me stuck in a traffic jam, saying "GET ME TO NZ, WE ARE NICE WHY HAVEN'T THEY SAID YES YET", he is not good at waiting.
:clap
jocalla
26th January 2005, 11:49 PM
BRILLIANT news Moorf :nice1 :nice1 :nice1
LOOKS GREAT :P :P :P :P
Joanne
LOOKS GREAT :P :P :P :P
Joanne
Moorf
27th January 2005, 12:05 AM
Thanks all.. we are very pleased indeed.
Moving date is 24th March (or possibly earlier - I'll be emailing some of you that were interested in renting this place we are currently in ;) )
Moving date is 24th March (or possibly earlier - I'll be emailing some of you that were interested in renting this place we are currently in ;) )
Dave & Sandra
27th January 2005, 01:01 AM
Great news Moorf :nice1
The house looks brilliant. Not the renovation project you thought you might have. Hope everything moves forward OK :hopeso
The house looks brilliant. Not the renovation project you thought you might have. Hope everything moves forward OK :hopeso
Babette & Andy
27th January 2005, 11:09 AM
Congratulations and well done to you guys :clap :clap Hope you settle in quickly and start feeling really at home.
Babette & Andy
Babette & Andy
Tara Sage
27th January 2005, 12:51 PM
Congrats Moorf :nice1
What a fantastic place!
Isn't the house buying thing easy here compared to UK!!!!
Hope all goes well
T
What a fantastic place!
Isn't the house buying thing easy here compared to UK!!!!
Hope all goes well
T
Tara Sage
27th January 2005, 12:53 PM
Going back to the point someone made earlier, Pam & Matt arrived on Visitors visa's having already received there ITA and assigned a case officer and they didn't have any problem with immigration when they arrived?!
Moorf
27th January 2005, 01:01 PM
Tara - I'll comment on the ease of purchasing once everything is sorted :P but yes, we viewed the house for a 2nd time with the agent, sorted our "conditions" (which were minimal as we have approved finance already in place.. this helps GREATLY!) and then the owners came back from their walk and we bounded figures about with agent who was back and forth between us and the sellers (us on balcony, them in lounge!) we finally agreed on $295 (a mere $4k below their asking but HEY, you've gotta try and that's enuf saved for a lounge suite!!).
veronica
27th January 2005, 02:27 PM
have you got a solicitor sorted, if not our one is a good guy. veronica
Moorf
27th January 2005, 02:40 PM
yes we have a solicitor - and $500 off the legal costs :nice1 via National Bank :cheers
Plus the owners already have a LIM so that will save c. $250 - agent is sending it direct to solicitor.
Plus the owners already have a LIM so that will save c. $250 - agent is sending it direct to solicitor.
Tanya
27th January 2005, 08:51 PM
Looking forward to receiving the house warming invite there Helen. Can always rely on us to help you move too!!
Tanya
Tanya
Jodie
27th January 2005, 08:56 PM
Yeah - when's the house warming then? We've been waiting for an excuse to come and visit ChCh! ;) :cheers I'll bring wine! :cheers :nice1
Congrats on the house tho - we're in the presence of posh gits now - "oh yah, I live in Diamond Harbour you know.... :laugh ;) " Well, not actually IN the harbour...... :laugh
Congrats on the house tho - we're in the presence of posh gits now - "oh yah, I live in Diamond Harbour you know.... :laugh ;) " Well, not actually IN the harbour...... :laugh
Milliemoo
27th January 2005, 10:11 PM
Looks fab! How exciting!!!! Ditto Nicola re: the cat :laugh
Love the patio area :P
Milliemoo :nice1
Love the patio area :P
Milliemoo :nice1
Moorf
28th January 2005, 01:23 AM
:P
Cheers girls! :cheers House warming invites will definitely be issued as soon as possible :-)
Tanya - need anyone to take care of those airbeds of yours once your container arrives ;)
Jodie - deal, you are now officially appointed to fill the built in wine rack!
And thanks for the offers of help too :nice1 refreshments and backrubs will be free (oh, just realised we haven't actually GOT anything to move except 3 suitcases and a sofabed! oh and the bbq, and garden furniture! and bikes!).. ok, a bit more than we arrived with :roll:
Cheers girls! :cheers House warming invites will definitely be issued as soon as possible :-)
Tanya - need anyone to take care of those airbeds of yours once your container arrives ;)
Jodie - deal, you are now officially appointed to fill the built in wine rack!
And thanks for the offers of help too :nice1 refreshments and backrubs will be free (oh, just realised we haven't actually GOT anything to move except 3 suitcases and a sofabed! oh and the bbq, and garden furniture! and bikes!).. ok, a bit more than we arrived with :roll:
Tate6
28th January 2005, 04:46 AM
Yeah! :cheers
Great house and views! Looks very private! I bet Summer will love it!
Cannot wait to see the housewarming photos!!
Terry
Great house and views! Looks very private! I bet Summer will love it!
Cannot wait to see the housewarming photos!!
Terry
Tanya
28th January 2005, 07:51 AM
:P
Tanya - need anyone to take care of those airbeds of yours once your container arrives ;)
Helen,
If you need the airbeds, then your name is on them!! :nice1
Tanya
Tanya - need anyone to take care of those airbeds of yours once your container arrives ;)
Helen,
If you need the airbeds, then your name is on them!! :nice1
Tanya
Jodie
28th January 2005, 12:45 PM
er, :uhoh how many spaces are in the wine rack? ......
:laugh ;)
Trouble is, if I fill it up, I'm sure we'll empty it at your house warming! :laugh :cheers
:laugh ;)
Trouble is, if I fill it up, I'm sure we'll empty it at your house warming! :laugh :cheers
Carol
28th January 2005, 12:58 PM
Looks lovely Helen.
If you are anything like I was I couldnt wait to get into my own place.
wahoo!
If you are anything like I was I couldnt wait to get into my own place.
wahoo!
Moorf
28th January 2005, 01:48 PM
Jodie - a case will prob fill it!! :cheers
Carol - I really CAN'T wait... it's not like I want to get painting or anything, I just want to get into my own space! Mind you, we have NO furniture in storage, just one bed and a desk! And we don't have much to spend on furniture either at the moment (cue my part time job!) so it's airbeds and bean bags for a while.. but hey, it's home :nice1
Carol - I really CAN'T wait... it's not like I want to get painting or anything, I just want to get into my own space! Mind you, we have NO furniture in storage, just one bed and a desk! And we don't have much to spend on furniture either at the moment (cue my part time job!) so it's airbeds and bean bags for a while.. but hey, it's home :nice1
jesselyn
29th January 2005, 06:00 AM
lovely house!!! http://tcwozere.co.uk/smileys/pinkthumb.gif
and i really like the color of your dining room and kitchen... http://tcwozere.co.uk/smileys/pinksmile.gif
and i really like the color of your dining room and kitchen... http://tcwozere.co.uk/smileys/pinksmile.gif
Hannah-NL
30th January 2005, 01:36 AM
Congrats Moorf on the new house, looks like lots of room for a nice price indeed! :nice1
We have only last week sent our diploma's to the NZQA to have them assessed. But thats another step on the road to NZ.
Hoping the beach isnt too far away? Summer will have fun with that cat indeed, or maybe the other way round? :P
We have only last week sent our diploma's to the NZQA to have them assessed. But thats another step on the road to NZ.
Hoping the beach isnt too far away? Summer will have fun with that cat indeed, or maybe the other way round? :P
Moorf
2nd February 2005, 09:29 AM
:uhoh There are problems with the purchase :wah
Seems that houses on hills can have easement probs as drainage of water / sewerage more often than not goes through the property and they are not always council owned, especially if subdivided section etc.
Having nightmare with solicitors as the Title to the property was never updated when subdivided. Have been advised this is a very common problem so buyers please be aware.
Don't rely just on the LIM (thank god we inserted a condition re Title too) - LIM can be approved and sale progress and yet you don't know the state of the Title! In the UK the solicitors tend to do council searches and land searches as a matter of course but not here. :no
We have had a 2 day extension granted by the vendors solicitors to get this sorted (we were due to have agreed everything by Monday 5pm - its now today 5pm). If we do not satisfy ourselves by tonight then the offer is void and we would have to re-offer or walk away. http://tcwozere.co.uk/smileys/ac39.gif
Seems that houses on hills can have easement probs as drainage of water / sewerage more often than not goes through the property and they are not always council owned, especially if subdivided section etc.
Having nightmare with solicitors as the Title to the property was never updated when subdivided. Have been advised this is a very common problem so buyers please be aware.
Don't rely just on the LIM (thank god we inserted a condition re Title too) - LIM can be approved and sale progress and yet you don't know the state of the Title! In the UK the solicitors tend to do council searches and land searches as a matter of course but not here. :no
We have had a 2 day extension granted by the vendors solicitors to get this sorted (we were due to have agreed everything by Monday 5pm - its now today 5pm). If we do not satisfy ourselves by tonight then the offer is void and we would have to re-offer or walk away. http://tcwozere.co.uk/smileys/ac39.gif
Jodie
2nd February 2005, 12:37 PM
Oh No! :eek :(
Can't believe you've run into problems already. Lucky you put the conditions in your offer tho...
I hope you get it sorted today - keep us posted. I'll be thinking of you both. :hopeso
Jod
Can't believe you've run into problems already. Lucky you put the conditions in your offer tho...
I hope you get it sorted today - keep us posted. I'll be thinking of you both. :hopeso
Jod
Moorf
2nd February 2005, 12:45 PM
Not looking good... am gutted. This is third house we've loved that we'll probably have to walk away from.
Currently waiting to hear from solicitor to see if vendors will updated Title at their expense... would need another extension to contractual dates .. will just have to wait and see.
It does seem another of those Kiwi "can't be arsed" scenarios whereby they'd rather wait for a buyer who doesn't dig deep enough rather than stump up the cash to sort out their paperwork :roll:
It's a waiting game now. :(
This is REALLY testing my willpower re smoking.... :wah
Currently waiting to hear from solicitor to see if vendors will updated Title at their expense... would need another extension to contractual dates .. will just have to wait and see.
It does seem another of those Kiwi "can't be arsed" scenarios whereby they'd rather wait for a buyer who doesn't dig deep enough rather than stump up the cash to sort out their paperwork :roll:
It's a waiting game now. :(
This is REALLY testing my willpower re smoking.... :wah
NW2NZ
2nd February 2005, 12:50 PM
Morf,
As a UK Legal Eagle I'm curious as to the system over there. As the title is apparently "defective", isn't it the case that the vendors HAVE to rectify it at their cost in order for a sale to be achieved? It sounds as though they've put the onus on your solicitor to sort it out, and within an unrealistic timeframe. Shouldn't they be worried that you'll walk? :?
As a UK Legal Eagle I'm curious as to the system over there. As the title is apparently "defective", isn't it the case that the vendors HAVE to rectify it at their cost in order for a sale to be achieved? It sounds as though they've put the onus on your solicitor to sort it out, and within an unrealistic timeframe. Shouldn't they be worried that you'll walk? :?
Bubbles
2nd February 2005, 12:52 PM
Stay off the tabs Moorf, you know you don't need them. I've been CLEAN now for 11 weeks :nice1
John
John
Moorf
2nd February 2005, 01:12 PM
NW2NZ... I'm still learning the system here. This article I found (and referred my solicitor to!) might help you understand more...
Private drains under section 461
Under section 461 of the Local Government Act, one property owner may, with the consent of his neighbour, construct a drain through that neighbour's property to connect with a council main. The legislation creates rights that appear like those that might otherwise be created by survey and Land Transfer grant of easement.
At first, section 461 seems to provide a cheap and swift solution to what is otherwise a little slow and expensive. The drain can be installed and everyone is happy.
The problem comes later. In my experience the record in the Land Registry is rarely completed. The titles then do not disclose the existence of the private drain to those coming to have an interest in either the land benefiting from the drainage rights, nor, more particularly, those interested in the neighbouring property through which the private drain passes.
So what? The time bomb explodes when a later owner of the neighbouring property undertakes earthworks that result in a broken sewer.
If the property owners have changed over the years, how could they know of the sewer? If the proper procedures have not been followed through, there is nothing on the title, as there is no registered Land Transfer easement.
An inspection of the property records of the council by requesting the familiar LIM, or Land Information Memorandum, will probably disclose the neighbour's consent filed on the records of the property which has the benefit of the drain and not on the records of the neighbouring property through which the drain passes. A purchaser of the neighbouring property all too often will not discover any indication of the sewer.
The time bomb can be averted by ensuring that an easement properly appears on the Land Transfer records. The short cut of using consent under section 461 of the Local Government Act is, without title notification, just a time bomb waiting to explode.
Property owners and councils considering private drainage under sections 460 and 461 of the Local Government Act should ensure that the provisions of those sections are all observed, including provision of the appropriate cetificate, survey and registration on the title. Alternatively a Land Transfer survey should be undertaken and a Transfer of Grant of easement registered.
By going beyond the form of a consent under section 461 of the Local Government Act we identify the best practice for the protection of our clients. The hidden time bomb of potential liability in respect of drains that are inadequately notified can, and should, be avoided.
Our problem being exactly as outlined.. the info on sewers, easements etc has not been updated with the Land Registy and therefore does not show on the Title.
Please please correct me if I am wrong with my descriptions, am by no means knowledgeable about this scenario but am trying to learn fast!
Moorf
Private drains under section 461
Under section 461 of the Local Government Act, one property owner may, with the consent of his neighbour, construct a drain through that neighbour's property to connect with a council main. The legislation creates rights that appear like those that might otherwise be created by survey and Land Transfer grant of easement.
At first, section 461 seems to provide a cheap and swift solution to what is otherwise a little slow and expensive. The drain can be installed and everyone is happy.
The problem comes later. In my experience the record in the Land Registry is rarely completed. The titles then do not disclose the existence of the private drain to those coming to have an interest in either the land benefiting from the drainage rights, nor, more particularly, those interested in the neighbouring property through which the private drain passes.
So what? The time bomb explodes when a later owner of the neighbouring property undertakes earthworks that result in a broken sewer.
If the property owners have changed over the years, how could they know of the sewer? If the proper procedures have not been followed through, there is nothing on the title, as there is no registered Land Transfer easement.
An inspection of the property records of the council by requesting the familiar LIM, or Land Information Memorandum, will probably disclose the neighbour's consent filed on the records of the property which has the benefit of the drain and not on the records of the neighbouring property through which the drain passes. A purchaser of the neighbouring property all too often will not discover any indication of the sewer.
The time bomb can be averted by ensuring that an easement properly appears on the Land Transfer records. The short cut of using consent under section 461 of the Local Government Act is, without title notification, just a time bomb waiting to explode.
Property owners and councils considering private drainage under sections 460 and 461 of the Local Government Act should ensure that the provisions of those sections are all observed, including provision of the appropriate cetificate, survey and registration on the title. Alternatively a Land Transfer survey should be undertaken and a Transfer of Grant of easement registered.
By going beyond the form of a consent under section 461 of the Local Government Act we identify the best practice for the protection of our clients. The hidden time bomb of potential liability in respect of drains that are inadequately notified can, and should, be avoided.
Our problem being exactly as outlined.. the info on sewers, easements etc has not been updated with the Land Registy and therefore does not show on the Title.
Please please correct me if I am wrong with my descriptions, am by no means knowledgeable about this scenario but am trying to learn fast!
Moorf
NW2NZ
2nd February 2005, 01:25 PM
All makes sense to me. Can your solicitor not make the entry at the land registry when registering the transfer to you? Register both at the same time? The important thing is that he/she is now aware of it. I wouldn't have thought it would be a deal breaker but I do know their system is slightly different to ours. Quicker for a start!!! :clap
Moorf
2nd February 2005, 01:31 PM
If they supply us with the plans showing the exact tract of the drainage/easement then yes, I expect it would go through nicely... we are currently waiting to see if they a) have official survey/plans and easement cert or if b) they need to get all this done (or are WILLING to get it done)... :?
NW2NZ
2nd February 2005, 01:47 PM
A common mistake buyers make, whatever side of the world their on, is that they get tunnel vision and panic if something is coming between them and the key to the door. Try not to lose sight of the fact that the vendors want to sell as much as you want to buy. You've (potentially) got your pick of ANY property up for sale, and the vendors will know that. I don't imagine they'll want to lose you and I would have thought they will be having kittens at the thought of losing you. Communication is everything in this sort of situation. Talk to the vendors directly and reassure them that you still want the property and that you are happy to give THEM time to resolve the problem. Remember that the agents have their own agenda so it's better if you can speak to the vendors directly. You can then hopefully see that each of you is sincere and its only a matter of time before this glitch is sorted.
This is their burden at the moment. Don't make it yours!!
Sorry, mustn't rant!
This is their burden at the moment. Don't make it yours!!
Sorry, mustn't rant!
Moorf
2nd February 2005, 01:53 PM
NW2NZ - not quite so cut and dried here.
We had until Monday 5pm to approve sale etc. Luckily we got an extension from Vendors to end of today. If their solicitor/vendor won't approve another extension then our offer is void and we have to re-offer!!
We had until Monday 5pm to approve sale etc. Luckily we got an extension from Vendors to end of today. If their solicitor/vendor won't approve another extension then our offer is void and we have to re-offer!!
NW2NZ
2nd February 2005, 01:57 PM
My point is simply that this problem will be discovered by the next buyer, if they pull the plug on you. It isn't a situation of your making and if I was the vendor, I would be worried about you cutting and running because my title is defective.
I hope it all works out for you :hopeso
Good Luck :nice1
I hope it all works out for you :hopeso
Good Luck :nice1
Moorf
2nd February 2005, 02:00 PM
NW2NZ - Yep we are clinging to that hope....
Thanks for your help :nice1
:hopeso
Thanks for your help :nice1
:hopeso
Moorf
2nd February 2005, 06:10 PM
:P The offer period has been extended to Friday to allow the vendors time to get their papers in order :nice1 they definitely want the sale to go ahead :hopeso
markkellaway
2nd February 2005, 06:31 PM
Good luck Helen, I've got nothing really constructive to say, just that we are rooting for you, I'm sure it will all work out just as you want. :yes :hopeso :hopeso :hopeso :hopeso :hopeso
Mark & Anne. :P
Mark & Anne. :P
Moorf
2nd February 2005, 07:11 PM
Thanks Mark and all those who have PM'd...
I figure that someone, somewhere will glean useful info or be made aware of situations by mine and others experiences on this site.
With respect to purchasing a house.. a little known/used "condition" of sale is as follows (and this is one of our conditions which, basically, saved us!!) :-
"This Agreement is conditional upon the approval by the Purchaser's solicitor of the Title to the Property within xx working days of the date of this Agreement. This condition is inserted for the sole benefit of the Purchaser".
Hope that helps someone, somewhere.
Moorf
I figure that someone, somewhere will glean useful info or be made aware of situations by mine and others experiences on this site.
With respect to purchasing a house.. a little known/used "condition" of sale is as follows (and this is one of our conditions which, basically, saved us!!) :-
"This Agreement is conditional upon the approval by the Purchaser's solicitor of the Title to the Property within xx working days of the date of this Agreement. This condition is inserted for the sole benefit of the Purchaser".
Hope that helps someone, somewhere.
Moorf
Dave & Sandra
3rd February 2005, 12:40 AM
:hopeso for you Moorf and Woz. It's looking a bit more hopeful for you now. It's such a nice house- would hate for you to lose it.
shagen
3rd February 2005, 02:03 AM
Hope everything works out Moorf! :hopeso
Shagen & Vera
Shagen & Vera
Moorf
4th February 2005, 10:33 AM
Well, today it's make or break on the house... :uhoh
Things are looking good... :hopeso ... and by the end of today we'll either be forging ahead with the purchase :cheers or walking, nay running :exit , away...
:hopeso :hopeso :hopeso :hopeso :hopeso :hopeso
Things are looking good... :hopeso ... and by the end of today we'll either be forging ahead with the purchase :cheers or walking, nay running :exit , away...
:hopeso :hopeso :hopeso :hopeso :hopeso :hopeso
Tara Sage
4th February 2005, 12:36 PM
:hopeso Moorf & Woz
Let me know how you go.
T
Let me know how you go.
T
veronica
4th February 2005, 02:42 PM
Crikey, what a lot can happen in a few days off the forum. Hopefully this will be sorted as it doesn't sound like an unsolvable problem. Its all about how many rollercoasters one can ride and not get to dizzy. Don't let it defeat you Helen and Warren, am I still on to come and see it when I get back. take care Veronica
Moorf
4th February 2005, 02:49 PM
My god - can u believe this, we may be heading for yet another extension (if they allow it) .. the "official" plans they promised did turn up at our solicitors this morning... WHEW, we thought, at last...
But.. no no no... it's an aerial photo they've dug up from somewhere on which the VENDOR has drawn the path of the pipe!! What part of LEGAL PLANS don't they understand??
http://tcwozere.co.uk/smileys/banghead.gif
But.. no no no... it's an aerial photo they've dug up from somewhere on which the VENDOR has drawn the path of the pipe!! What part of LEGAL PLANS don't they understand??
http://tcwozere.co.uk/smileys/banghead.gif
veronica
4th February 2005, 02:52 PM
I think that the Red tape business has 'modernised' itself in NZ but the general population hasn't quite caught on to it yet.
Moorf
4th February 2005, 02:56 PM
So true, I really think they expected us to progress the sale based on their "word".. :uhoh Sorry, I may be becoming more laid back but not where our money and property are concerned :? Just had call from estate agent who is now having a "go" at me for being "picky" and "fussy" !!!
She can http://tcwozere.co.uk/smileys/ka.gif
She can http://tcwozere.co.uk/smileys/ka.gif
veronica
4th February 2005, 03:01 PM
If you don't sort it now when you come to sell it will just come back and hit you then. Whats your solicitors opinion, bet thats not the same as the estate agents.
Moorf
4th February 2005, 03:03 PM
Absolutely Veronica.. its the resale probs that are keeping us from signing... our solicitor has been fab altho he's getting exasperated by the vendors solicitor. All I need now is to be presented with a huge legal work bill :no
© emigratenz.org. All Rights Reserved
vBulletin®
Copyright © Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.