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jubjub
8th August 2005, 07:48 PM
National's probation plan for immigrants


Don Brash


08.08.05


By Ainsley Thomson


Immigrants will be put on probation for four years and have to meet good-conduct requirements to gain residency if National leads the next government.

Leader Don Brash will unveil the party's immigration policy in Wanganui tomorrow but the Herald understands it includes giving new migrants only provisional residency.

Instead of immediately having the right to live here permanently, new immigrants would be on probation for a period believed to be four years.

It is understood those who broke the law would be swiftly returned to their home country.

National has also been expressing concern about how easy it is for immigrants to qualify for welfare benefits and it is understood the party's policy will toughen this up.

The policy will be based on the premise that immigration must be of benefit to this country.

This echoes the fundamental principle of New Zealand First's hardline immigration policy.

Immigration has traditionally been the domain of NZ First, but National believes it is an area where it can capitalise on what it terms Labour's "softness".

National will position itself as more moderate than NZ First but willing to be tougher than Labour.

Labour has been embarrassed by recent immigration scandals, including allowing a former minister in Saddam Hussein's Iraqi regime to live here.

Dr Brash will promote National's policy as "managed immigration" as opposed to Labour's "free-for-all".

While immigration does not rank with health, education or tax as an election issue it is still contentious and has the power to polarise voters.

Immigration issues are regularly in the headlines, most recently over NZ First leader Winston Peters' claims that moderate Muslim groups are sheltering fundamentalists who may be plotting terror attacks on New Zealand soil.

In the latest Herald-DigiPoll survey 2.4 per cent of voters said immigration was the most important issue, the same percentage as for Treaty/Maori issues and higher than superannuation, student loans and environmental issues.

In tomorrow's speech it is understood that Dr Brash will also concentrate on stemming the brain drain.

He has previously spoken about National's concern that the loss of people overseas, and their replacement with immigrants, is changing the nature of society faster than people are comfortable with or want.

Under National's policy, immigrants would be more carefully selected, and the emphasis would be on attracting skilled workers.

The probation period would be used to make sure immigrants were not abusing the system and costing taxpayers money.

Last week, the party's immigration spokesman, Tony Ryall, told the Herald a number of employers had told him of hiring overseas workers who had taken off once they gained permanent residency.

"Some people are being granted permanent residence and then absconding from jobs, going on benefits and committing crime."

He said permanent residency gave migrants virtually all the advantages and rights of citizenship. "That privilege should be earned."

Paul and Linda
8th August 2005, 09:28 PM
Good grief, you'd think after all the hardship we have all been/are going through, not many of us that are let into the country would do such things. It almost sounds as though if in the first 4 years you come across a bit of hardship and need to get some state aid for a while, he'll pack your bags and send you back.

Not sure his attitude gives out the right signals from a country that is in need of skilled labour and is trying to attract people (granted the right sort of people) in.

This chap sounds a right sort to me!

Maybe I'm just taking this personally?

I'm sure most of it is politics, I'd like to see his crime and state dependancy figures for immigrants!

Moorf
8th August 2005, 09:51 PM
I didn't even know you could claim benefit for quite a few years...

Paul and Linda
8th August 2005, 11:57 PM
No, I don't think you can, just feels like insulting politics going on.

Debbie
9th August 2005, 12:18 AM
Now doesn't that make all the hard graft and ££££ we've all spent on getting to NZ seem worth while :no :no :no
Not that I'm expecting them to roll out the welcome mat, but I don't like to be viewed as a blagger and have to prove otherwise.

As my aunt would say, "every village has one", I have to guess he is there's.

Debbie

Paul and Linda
9th August 2005, 01:00 AM
Living up to his name anyway

Moorf
9th August 2005, 06:59 PM
Just as a matter of interest - what ARE the rules regarding claiming benefit etc as immigrants? I thought we couldn't claim at all or until citizenship :?

Moorf
9th August 2005, 07:13 PM
A few mins after I posted there was a debate on Close Up re immigrants and whether they would actually BOTHER to go through the immigration process, pay all that $$$ just to come here and claim benefits!

Also mentioned was that it was 2 yrs before benefits could be claimed (?).

Lukas
9th August 2005, 07:19 PM
A British immigrant may not come to NZ in order to ask for benefits. However many (to many) immigrants coming from third world countries do as the benefit is often higher than a monthly average salary in their country of origin.

Moorf
9th August 2005, 09:03 PM
Good point.

leosus
10th August 2005, 02:35 PM
I'm sure most of it is politics, I'd like to see his crime and state dependancy figures for immigrants!

Exactly what I have been thinking. Anyone??

Gran
10th August 2005, 07:23 PM
I think when they refer to benefits they may mean to refugees, who can go on the benefit as soon as they arrive, and it seems stay on one as long as they like, aparently because they do not speak English they do not have to get jobs. Winston says that 90% are still on benefits after 2 years and 80% are still on a benefit after 5 years.

My Husband was a refugee, many years ago from Hungary, he was working at his trade (Fitter and Turner) within 2 weeks of arriving in England, not speaking a word of the language, and soon became their star worker, the difference is called "work ethic" I think. We went to Aussie, he was working 2 days after we arrived having secured a job the day before, in NZ he started straight away. OH is now enjoying a well earned retirement. I dont think I will vote for Don the Brash because last time they were in they reduced the Pension and taxed Retirees on every cent they managed to scrape together above the pension until they were paying 95c in the dollar.

Gran

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