[matt]

I had a meeting with these people on friday,because they never put our EOI in like they said they had we missed out.115 points but no job offer :wah .Anyway they said to me we could apply to emigrate to australia get our permits stamped at any airport in Australia and then fly straight out to new zealand on that permit to work and live(he said the two goverments had some kind of understanding)is this true or are they just trying to get me permit anywhere then fire us off????

[kiwidollie]

They have let you down big time and it sounds like they know it.

There is an agreement between Australia and New Zealand but that isn't the point is it? They have been completely negligent in your case. I don't know for sure but was under the impression its more difficult to get into Oz than it is NZ.

Hope things work out for you - am outraged on your behalf!!

[zardell]

Matt.

Even if what they say is correct, do you really want these people to handle your Australian application, particularly after the incompetent and negligent way that they handled your NZ application ? Everybody makes mistakes, but from what I can gather from your previous posts, you believe you were actually lied to.

Although you haven't said as much, I am presuming that they made you this second offer of help as opposed to offering you your money back ?
If that is the case, I personally would insist on a refund. Sue them in the smalls claims court if necessary, its easy to do, believe me. They would not appreciate the bad publicity I am sure. Go to the local newspaper if you have to and get a write up done about the disgraceful way you have been treated.

Remember......they are in the wrong - not you.

If you do decide to take the Australia/NZ route, you can then use those refunded monies in order to secure a more reputable agent.

Don't let them walk all over you. Find out what your rights are within this situation and exercise them. Maybe a chat with Citizens Advice or an immigration solicitor would tell you who the governing body is that deals with immigration agencies, and their obligations to their clients. If not, I'm sure another immigration agency would, particularly if you gave them your business......think about it.

My gut feeling is that Four Corners literally think that they have you cornered and to an extent they have if they still have your money.

Apologies and promises of better treatment from them in the future wont get you to NZ.

Insist on a refund and start again.

Sorry I'm ranting, but I'm furious.

Good luck,

Julie

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[dawn]

Sorry I can't advise or help on your problem, bu I can tell you that it is much easier to get into Oz than it used to be, I subscribe to a newsletter from www.workpermit.com and this was in their newsletter dated 4th Jan.

Australia launches biggest immigration drive in 40 years: As a result of a desperate need for new skilled immigrants, Australia's Department of Immigration decided to admit an extra 20,000 skilled migrants this year, taking the 2005/2006 intake to almost 100,000 (please note that this figure does not include family immigration, unskilled workers, etc., but refers to skilled immigrants only).
Here's the full story: Australia has severe need for British immigrants (http://www.workpermit.com/news/2005_08_19/australia/british_immigrants.htm?newsletter=e779761f0f29bc9f 4056e60672503ad0)

And here's a quick link to the points calculator for Oz, just in case......

Oz Points Calculator (http://www.workpermit.com/australia/point_calculator.htm?newsletter=e779761f0f29bc9f40 56e60672503ad0)

Good luck!

Dawn

[Moorf]

Sorry to join the others in the scepticism, but I wouldn't touch them with a barge pole - get your money back now and then get on with doing it yourself and spend the money you would have spent with an agent on business class flights to NZ :D

As for advising you to go via Oz, unless you really want to live there then I can't believe that would make for a good start to your emigration plans. Do you have to stay in Oz for a certain period of time? I thought I saw on NZ news how they are trying to stop exactly this - going to one country purely with the aim of getting into another. :confused:

[matt]

Thanks to everybody who has advised me on this subject.My mind is made up and they are history.We only used these people because a friend a work suggested them.As for how good this company is,they sent me a letter on thursday 5th which was dated on the 23rd dec.This I beleive was to lead me into thinking the letter was lost in the christmas post,Unfortunatly for them they included a conversation I had with them only two days previous 2nd.Also at this meeting they showed us our EOI which was only typed up on thursday morning

[Moorf]

Unfortunatly for them they included a conversation I had with them only two days previous 2nd



:mad:

I think you made a very wise choice there, they sound like a bunch of scumbags. I hope they didn't screw you out of too much money.

[Smiler]

Matt are you saying you didn't get a refund? :eek:


Famer Moorf's right, don't touch them with anyone else's barge pole.

This really is something you can do yourself ( whether it is Oz or here) We did it, living proof. :laugh

This does sound like a case for Trading Standards. Quoting their website (4 corners) they say nobody is more qualified to help and then give some little accreditation logos, which I can't read. Might be worth an email to those accrediting bodies. This includes the OISC. Office of the Immigration Service Commisioner read what they say here;http://www.oisc.gov.uk/ and this

'The OISC is responsible for ensuring that all immigration advisers fulfill the requirements of good practice. We are committed to the elimination of unscrupulous advisers and the fair and thorough investigation of complaints'.


Hope this helps, let us know how you get on.

Deborah

[veronica]

would be very wary of what they are saying about visas . oz and nz. my understanding is that this interchange between countries only happens when you have citizenship. I know for sure that is the way it happens nz to oz but have no certain knowledge the other way round.

[Hayden1002]

We went to one of their seminars early last year and they basically said you've got no chance!
Then we went to Sandown Emigrate Show (poor show in terms of NZ) and found out that you could go online at NZIS and fill out the application and it would tell you if you reached enough points. So we did!
My point is that, unless you really don't have the time, do it yourself. I honestly don't see the need for anyone to use an agent, I think they try to scare you into using them, with the "oh, it really is difficult to understand the immigration policy-you won't be able to".

[Avalon]

Matt,

Like the others Im really sorry this has happened to you.

As for the OZ route - we looked at this a few years ago when it looked like we couldnt get straight to NZ (this was under the old system and when the new system opened at 190 points). At that time certainly - we had to work in OZ for 2 years at least before we could then use that to help us get into NZ. In our case we really had no interest in doing that - but its worth looking into if it suits your needs.

I also think its not worth using agents unless you are applying for business visas (and most reputable agents are not touching those now from what I understand). The forms for SMC are not that difficult - and if you come up with a problem - you can always ask for advise on here - For FREE :clap

I do hope you get your money back. They have not provided the service for which you paid.

Good luck and {{{HUGS}}}

[Ishi26]

Matt

Sorry to hear about your problems.

At the time of when I was applying for my PR, I thought of using immigration advisors but when they quoted me around £3,000 to £4,000 for doing the work which most of which I had to provide, in the end I went the route of applying myself.

Believe you me ... the process was so much easier than I had expected provided that you keep a cool head and collate the information that NZIS required. I saved a cool bundle!!!! I have no doubt that you should also do the same as I am sure most of the members on this forum will testify.

As for the 4 corners - they are clearly negligent - you have a very strong case for this.

Good luck and the very best.

Bye the way, if you do pursue the route of applying yourself, then do not hesitate to contact this forum as there is plenty of free advice and I am sure most of us would eb happy to help out.

Regards

Ishi

[veronica]

picked up the point about the business visas above, you can do them yourself, we did so successfully.

[foolsgold99]

you can live in NZ if you have PR in Aus, but not the other way about anymore.

So yes, you could fly into Aussie, get your PR stamped, and then fly over to NZ. You're legal to work. Sounds good yes??

Actually no, it's just a short term solution. The problem is that in couple of years time years time, your Aussie RRV will expire, and to get it renewed and get a permanent Aussie PR, you'll have to demonstrate that you've been resident in Aus for the last 2 years. As you've not, at this stage you'll lose your Aussie PR, and you have no right to remain in NZ beyond a tourist visa.

You're then dragged sobbing on the first plane back to Pommieland, not pretty huh ? Like someone said above, only way to do it this way is to actually stay in Aussie for 2 years. Gain Aussie citizenship and them move to NZ.

If a professional is giving you advice to do it this way, they are either deeply stupid, or they are evil and just want to get rid of you, and don't give a damm that it's all going to turn to custard for you in two years time.

Niether option is good, but I think we both know, that it's option two. Sue them.