[Leccy-Lee]

Hi All

I am a bit worried with the new selection rules that came in this month, saying that 140 points is automatically selected, under 140 with a job offer is next selected and those under 140 without a job offer:

"If enough places are available, other EOIs may be selected on the basis of specific criteria which the Minister of Immigration will set every six months"

Trying to decide if i should submit my EOI with only 105 and pray, or whether thats just going to end in a pointless exercise and a painfull wait. How many do they regularly select and what are the honest likelyhood of getting selected from pool with a mere 105 points?

Appriecate any advice here, shall i or shan't i submit it.

[willsken]

Hi Lee
What do you do for a living?

[Leccy-Lee]

Electrician, which is currently on the skills short list, which is one good thing! :)

[Avalon]

Lee,

My advise (for what its worth) is to keep a VERY close eye on the immigration website and watch the numbers carefully. Every draw (2 weekly) comes with an information guide showing numbers selected onshore/offshore; with/without job offers; and now 140+ points and 140- points.

Read these guides and watch what happens over the next month or so. Its entirely possible that the number of applications they can take with 140+ poinst is going to dry up pretty quickly. There were quite a few this time - BUT bear in mind that no slections have been made for over a month - so there was a backlog. This MAY mean that 105 without a job offer at some point becaomes a feasible option - even if it isnt at the moment.

This is exactly what happened when they started the SMC - points level at 195 and information coming out of NZIS (quite snottily i might add) that you werent going to get ANYWHERE without a job offer. that situation did not last too long!

So - dont be too disheartend just yet! While there are no guarentees taht things with become better for you - keep your eyes open and watch what happens - then you will be prepared when things look more favorable.

:cheers

[Leccy-Lee]

Thanks :)

I think i will get it finished and submitted next day or two, I may try and prove a little more experience (10 instead 6 yrs) which means loads tracking down proof from bust employers though, but gets me another 10-15 pts.

I figure all i would have to lose is the EOI fee, and whats money for a dream eh ! :) and if in 6mths it has not been selected then i try again :p Plus in all this time i will of course hunt for a job offer.

[MB]

Lee - hello. Definitely do not lose hope for your possibility of success in this 'new' era of NZIS' passmark and floating mark(s).

Certainly, between about Sept '04 and Dec '05, it has been fairly straightforward for folks with 100 points to get PR, with or without a job offer... and it's also true that this period has -- perhaps temporarily -- come to something of a close.

But we have only just had the first drawing under the new rules. I understand that the floating passmark for February (?) will be 115 points, but as others here have sugggested these are very early days and this could change soon... as, indeed, could the hard selection point of 140 points.

Although I used to post quite often (and reasonably intelligently, I hope :laugh ) about the passmark, I have stopped doing so since we got PR because I have not been keeping as close an eye on things so feel that there are others who are getting better acquainted with the detail of this 'new' era. So keep a good eye on this terrific forum.

Finally: as an electrician, might you not only likely be granted the 2-year WTR visa to start with, anyway, until you sort out NZ registration? I think your skill area might be one of those whereby, however clear-cut a case you are for PR, it might not come upfront as it does for people in some other professions. Anyway, once you show NZIS how skilled and experienced you are, it's all pretty much just bureaucracy and time from that point even if you do get the WTR visa. So no serious worries even then, I think.

All the very best! Stick close to the NZIS site and this one!

[Leccy-Lee]

Yes i think your right i would only get a WTR visa as an electrician. Will hope for that at least.

Really starting to look like either without a job offer, OR going to NZ itself i not likely to get anywhere, as points firstly way too low, and without a provisional license looks they wont count my qualification points meaning i would only have 55-65 !! :(

So looks like even an EOI is out the question for me right now, need to either get a job offer from here, or get my ass over there. Hmm i really wanted to get things moving too.

[john & becky]

Lee
I am a plumber and have just put our EOI in on 130 points, we did not get selected this time either but I am fairly confident we will get selected in 2 weeks time. I don't have a job offer either so its a bit of a lottery for us. We have 2 kids so won't be going to up sticks and emigrate on a WTR as I feel its a bit risky. Is your situation different, if it is and you are on your own I would definately just go for it, what have you got to lose? You will get a WTR a lot quicker than PR, with no ties you could be out there looking for a job next month. The general consensus appears to be that within the trades it is very tricky to get an offer while you are still in UK as they want to see you are committed and will employ only when you are there...........

[Debbie]

HI there,
I'm with Avalon on this one,when we first looked at emigrating NZ was way beyond our capabilities as the point were to high.We keep it on the back burner, looked briefly at OZ and by the time we had discounted that as not right for us the points for NZ had settled to a level that made it possible for us. 140 points is daunting but I think it will move given time. NZ isn't going anywhere, stick with your dream.
debbie

[Leccy-Lee]

Yep, thanks guys.
I have the plan in place to carry-on the paper trial, hoping to get a visa before November. And then either way come November i am off to NZ and take it from there

:)

[MB]

Lee - good for you for planning to come over. Being on the spot and meeting people really does carry your plans to another dimension.
Also: I'm certainly not about to second-guess your dates and your plan, but it might well be worth -- if you leave your travel until November -- coming over as soon in that month as you can. In mid-late December it seems that some (many? most?) businesses close for two or three weeks, and summer is very much in the air. But folks' minds seem still to be on work in November, so it might be an idea to have arrived, got over jet-lag and found your feet, and then still have plenty of November left for job-related stuff. :nice1

[jim&alma]

Hi guys, just a follow up question. I just read the latest fact sheet and was wondering why the EOIs selected were those with points of 115 or more. Was the passing mark raised from 100?

A little worrisome coz we only have 110...

[Avalon]

Im afraid so. On the 21st December the pass mark was changed.

Now - if you have 140 points you will be selected.

If you have between 115 and 140 points and a job offer you are likely to be selected.

At the moment - if you have less than 115 points you will not be selected from the EOI pool.

But as already suggested - watch this space - things DO change.

[jonclare]

Additional criteria now announced. Can't find it in the public section but when I log in to view my EOI the link is there. Details and link below:

http://glossary.immigration.govt.nz/additionalselectioncriteria.htm

Additional selection criteria

If further places are available, additional Expressions of Interest (EOIs) may be selected from the Pool on the basis of additional selection criteria set from time to time by the Minister of Immigration.



The Minister of Immigration has set the following additional selection criteria for selections from the Pool occurring from 1 February 2006 – 1 August 2006 (inclusive):

(a) EOIs that include 15 points for work experience in an area of absolute skills shortage (in descending order of their points total);

(b) EOIs that include 10 points for work experience in an area of absolute skills shortage (in descending order of their points total);

(c) EOIs that include 10 points for a qualification in an area of absolute skills shortage (in descending order of their points total);

(d) the points total of EOIs not meeting any of the criteria in (a) – (c) (in descending order).


Hoping this will get us through soon........

[Buyio]

Lee, I am in the same position as you are. Just handled for 110 points and submitted our EOI in Dec 30 (bad luck, we didn't know about the changes :( ). I dont know what will happen if our EOI will be selected ot not, but I am confident that not everybody has 140 points and a job offer. Gee...how do you get a job offer without a work permitt and how do you get a wp without a job offer? see? :)) rounding around my tale...
Goods luck to you...and to me :d

[Avalon]

If further places are available, additional Expressions of Interest (EOIs) may be selected from the Pool on the basis of additional selection criteria set from time to time by the Minister of Immigration.



The Minister of Immigration has set the following additional selection criteria for selections from the Pool occurring from 1 February 2006 – 1 August 2006 (inclusive):

(a) EOIs that include 15 points for work experience in an area of absolute skills shortage (in descending order of their points total);

(b) EOIs that include 10 points for work experience in an area of absolute skills shortage (in descending order of their points total);

(c) EOIs that include 10 points for a qualification in an area of absolute skills shortage (in descending order of their points total);

(d) the points total of EOIs not meeting any of the criteria in (a) – (c) (in descending order).


Hoping this will get us through soon........

So - maybe its just me and im reading this wrong - but what exactly is the point of saying "140 points". Cos doesnt this say that even if you are under 115 - if some of your points are in these areas - you can be picked anyway.

Sounds to me like the whole 140 points is a media thing to try and make it look like they are toughening up when really its not going to change a thing.

Of cours - I could have misread this - wouldnt be the first time - sure as hell wont be the last!

[Leccy-Lee]

Yaa thanks, that sounds promising from my point of view, as 70 of my points are all in an area of "Skills Shortage".
I Will def be submitting my EOI this coming week then, its only money if it fails!! :)

And i agree Avalon, my login page still shows passmark as 100, so i suppose they looking like its harder maybe?