[richsadams]

I seem to remember that the U.S. PS3 may or may not have a PSU that will cope with 220-240V and you had to open it up to confirm as the external label says that it is only suitable for 110V.

Has this changed? Can you confirm that in fact all U.S. PS3s can cope in NZ without needing a transformer?

For the Nintendo devices, I would certainly be looking at buying a replacement for the PSU that will work in NZ, rather than buying a transformer to use with the original PSU.

IanYep, when it comes to computer oriented products many, but not all, have auto-switching power supplies. You can usually check the label where the power cord connects to the unit or on the PSU "brick" itself It should read 110V-120V 60Hz 220V-240V 50Hz. If that's the case all you'd need is a mains(plug) adapter or the appropriate replacement power cord. If you don't see that, it's best to check with the manufacturer or plan on using a transformer.

[seattle]

You should be able to bring your chandelier and sconces with you...no rewiring needed. A local electrician can connect them for you. The only challenge might be finding bulbs that fit. Lighting Plus (http://www.lightingplus.co.nz) and Mitre 10 (http://www.mitre10.co.nz) (Kiwi version of Home Depot, orange paint and all) both carry a wide range of light bulbs so you shouldn't have too much trouble.

BTW, keep in mind that if you (or anyone) bring electrical items that you plan on using a transformer with, the light bulbs will need to be for the original voltage. For instance we brought our U.S. refrigerator and used a transformer (worked great). The lights inside of it needed to be 110V of course so we brought a few extras with us. We still have them...world traveled light bulbs! :laugh

Thank you Rich! We will be sure to stock up on light bulbs as I had not thought of this. Now I just have to figure out if its worth the cost of paying an electrician to take them down and replace them with new fixtures- then put them up again in NZ...:o

[richsadams]

Thank you Rich! We will be sure to stock up on light bulbs as I had not thought of this. Now I just have to figure out if its worth the cost of paying an electrician to take them down and replace them with new fixtures- then put them up again in NZ...:oNo worries, glad to be able to give a little back. Keep in mind you only need to bring U.S. light bulbs for things that you'll use with a transformer. Otherwise you'll just need to buy light bulbs when you get to NZ.

Cost Vs "worth it" is always a huge back and forth discussion. To be honest when we return we'll probably sell up most of our things and buy new or used there. It's not cheap, but neither is dragging everything around, particularly if you have to jump through hoops to get things to work.

If you don't want to buy new the wildly popular Trade Me (http://www.trademe.co.nz) (Kiwi equivalent of eBay) has just about anything you can imagine for sale. Kiwis take care of their stuff much longer than we Yanks (even if it's with number eight wire and duct tape ;) ) so you can get by pretty cheap if need be then buy new later if you like. Of course YMMV. :)

[dilanium]

I can't speak for all PS3s, but ours is one of the original ones, and it's labelled for US voltage- but it works perfectly fine on NZ voltage and has done so for the past 3-4 months.

[BlueDevil]

Hi Seattle,

We just moved earlier this year. Lamps work. If its halogen it will need a complicated and expensive transformer at the source (but most Kiwi sold halogen lamps have them anyway). But they tend to burn out frequently.

Other lamps work easily as long as they don't have a dimmer or multi0level (3-way) switch. The only other problem is that sconce lamps using narrow caliber bulbs are difficult as the narrow caliber bulbs are not available here. There is one store in NZ, "Lampman" in Auckland that can order them and other speciality bulbs from Singapore. Send a message with other questions.

[M-Squared]

You'll find that if you use a transformer in your house, your house insurance is invalid...

[seattle]

Hi Seattle,

We just moved earlier this year. Lamps work. If its halogen it will need a complicated and expensive transformer at the source (but most Kiwi sold halogen lamps have them anyway). But they tend to burn out frequently.

Other lamps work easily as long as they don't have a dimmer or multi0level (3-way) switch. The only other problem is that sconce lamps using narrow caliber bulbs are difficult as the narrow caliber bulbs are not available here. There is one store in NZ, "Lampman" in Auckland that can order them and other speciality bulbs from Singapore. Send a message with other questions.

Our chandelier works on a dimmer- does this mean i won't be able to get it to work (I would just be happy if it turned on- don't need the dimmer part)?

Also- I do have a few lamps that are 2 or 3 way- would they still work if i got the plug changed - at least work one way (don't care if it doesn't work 3 way)

We are swapping out our chandelier tomorrow (assuming the electrician shows up) before we list the house- maybe we should leave it?

thanks for your help!

[seattle]

You'll find that if you use a transformer in your house, your house insurance is invalid...
Is this true with all insurance companies? Seems like a lot of people use transformers. Are they dangerous/risky to use?

[richsadams]

Our chandelier works on a dimmer- does this mean i won't be able to get it to work (I would just be happy if it turned on- don't need the dimmer part)?

Also- I do have a few lamps that are 2 or 3 way- would they still work if i got the plug changed - at least work one way (don't care if it doesn't work 3 way)

We are swapping out our chandelier tomorrow (assuming the electrician shows up) before we list the house- maybe we should leave it?

thanks for your help!Assuming you'll be replacing an existing fixture when you get there your chandelier should be fine; you'll just need to get a dimmer switch to replace the existing on/off switch (or there might already be a dimmer)! Our three-way lamps worked fine. Again, you'll just need to buy three-way light bulbs and plug adapters when you get there. Ideally I'd buy plug adapters while you're here to save some money. IIRC there are links to several suppliers here in the U.S. on my first post.

[richsadams]

Is this true with all insurance companies? Seems like a lot of people use transformers. Are they dangerous/risky to use?Our insurance company (Hutchison Rodway) didn't have a problem with transformers and they were aware that we had American electronics including a refrigerator. So I'd shop around if that seems to be an issue.

[seattle]

Thanks Rich- so helpful as always! :nice1 I'm always forwarding your posts to OH as well!

[seattle]

ok Rich- we are getting ready for our container load next week and I am taking our Precor eliptical- I read your post on your treadmill so we're going to bring a transformer and hope it gets to NZ in one piece! :nice1

[richsadams]

ok Rich- we are getting ready for our container load next week and I am taking our Precor eliptical- I read your post on your treadmill so we're going to bring a transformer and hope it gets to NZ in one piece! :nice1It will be an awesome journey. Things will happen that you never planned on and and others you never dreamed about. It's a roller coaster ride of wild proportions, but it'll almost certainly be worth it in the end! :nice1

BTW, make sure that the circuit that you use for the Precor has enough amperage to handle the initial start-up. We had to have a "sparky" (electrician) come out and get ours sorted out. It didn't cost very much and everything worked fine.

Bon voyage, warm wishes and the best of luck! Oh...happy New Year soon to be Kiwis! :cheers

[seattle]

It will be an awesome journey. Things will happen that you never planned on and and others you never dreamed about. It's a roller coaster ride of wild proportions, but it'll almost certainly be worth it in the end! :nice1

BTW, make sure that the circuit that you use for the Precor has enough amperage to handle the initial start-up. We had to have a "sparky" (electrician) come out and get ours sorted out. It didn't cost very much and everything worked fine.

Bon voyage, warm wishes and the best of luck! Oh...happy New Year soon to be Kiwis! :cheers

We can't wait to be on our way (especially since WA and OR have had the worst 10 days of snow since the 1950's and our moving truck has been delayed 2 weeks!) Thanks for your good wishes and Happy 2009 to you as well!!! :cheers

[richsadams]

We can't wait to be on our way (especially since WA and OR have had the worst 10 days of snow since the 1950's and our moving truck has been delayed 2 weeks!) Thanks for your good wishes and Happy 2009 to you as well!!! :cheersYeah, it was good to have a white Christmas, but enough is enough! So break out your shorts and jandals (you'll find out) and have a great time.

Did I mention that we're jealous? :wah ;)

P.S. Go The All Blacks!!

[WANZLittles]

Yeah, it was good to have a white Christmas, but enough is enough! So break out your shorts and jandals (you'll find out) and have a great time.

Did I mention that we're jealous? :wah ;)

P.S. Go The All Blacks!!
and some of the coldest days on record in spokane, plus the 6' of snow in just December.

[WANZLittles]

So after reading through this thread most everything can be handeled with a simple plug adapter. right? why would you need a transformer?



I was thinking, which could be dangerous. If computers have an auto switching power supply, why couldn't someone smarter than me come up with a transformer/ converter for clothes dryers, to solve the 230 50hrtz vs. 220-60hrtz issues?

[dilanium]

No. You need to check each individual item you're bringing to make sure that it will change voltages. If not you will have some problems.

[IanW99]

So after reading through this thread most everything can be handeled with a simple plug adapter. right? why would you need a transformer?
...
I was thinking, which could be dangerous. If computers have an auto switching power supply, why couldn't someone smarter than me come up with a transformer/ converter for clothes dryers, to solve the 230 50hrtz vs. 220-60hrtz issues?

As said by dilanium, it is only things that have power supplies that were designed to handle the range of voltage that you can use a simple plug adapter for. It is mostly electronic gadgets that are intended to be used anywhere that can cope, many other items can not.

You can actually get devices that can accept 50Hz input and provide a stable 60Hz output but they tend to be complicated and expensive if they need to handle high power devices such as clothes dryers. It would be normally be cheaper to just sell the original appliance, and buy a new one that is suitable.

Ian

[WANZLittles]

hmmm... was thinking in the shower...sorry TMI I know. What about solar power?

http://www.oksolar.com/roof/

I will have to think about this if we build a house in NZ. Green too.

I was doing some more research and found we can get a 230/50 version of our dryer, so problem solved.

[IanW99]

hmmm... was thinking in the shower...sorry TMI I know. What about solar power?

http://www.oksolar.com/roof/

I will have to think about this if we build a house in NZ. Green too.

I was doing some more research and found we can get a 230/50 version of our dryer, so problem solved.

Not really a US vs NZ electronics question... you may get a much better response if you start a new thread?

You definitely get some solar powered installations in NZ, seems to mostly be to heat water but no doubt other purposes as well.

If you were thinking of that specific product for use in NZ, it looks pretty good, would check with them that it is able to withstand NZ weather conditions especially the UV levels.

Ian

[richsadams]

So after reading through this thread most everything can be handeled with a simple plug adapter. right? why would you need a transformer? Wow! That's it? So all of the time we spent on research and money on transformers was just wasted? How could we have been so stupid? :laugh

Seriously, have another read of the first post. NZ power is 230v 50Hz. U.S. Power is 120v 60Hz. Put simply, if you bring your coveted electronics to NZ and only use a mains (plug) adapter be sure to have a fire extinguisher at the ready. The only exceptions are computers and the rare CE product that has auto-power switching.


I was thinking, which could be dangerous. If computers have an auto switching power supply, why couldn't someone smarter than me come up with a transformer/ converter for clothes dryers, to solve the 230 50hrtz vs. 220-60hrtz issues?You're right, it's dangerous. :D If it were only that simple. In a nutshell U.S. 240v is dual-phase. NZ uses single-phase 230v power. They are two completely different animals and not interchangeable.

Computers (and computer monitors) have built-in transformers which allow them to use 110v 60Hz or 230v 50Hz. Their components actually use different voltages all together. So the transformers perform more than one function. U.S. clothes dryers use a combination of 110v and 240v components. Rewiring and installing a transformer for the first would be a job in itself. Then there's that darn motor...a 240v dual-phase contraption that won't work in a single phase system...so it would have to be replaced. You see where I'm going with this right? Looks like you got that one sorted, but for anyone else, sell your washer and dryer and buy a new (or used - www.trademe.co.nz) ones.

Trust that those that have gone before you know what they're talking about. But if not, and you're not satisfied with the wisdom here (after all, you do get what you pay for ;)) I'd suggest reading up on electronics...or perhaps collaring the local meter reader and asking a few questions. The knowledge will save you a lot of time, money and grief.

BTW, sorry this post is so tardy...for some reason I've stopped receiving posting notices. I'll have to get that sorted! :o

[WANZLittles]

Wow!
Wow...Thanks for replying ;) I had completely forgot about this, just trying to deal with INZ. I will cross this bridge when it comes though.

[DejaVoo]

Hey Rich, Very useful thread, thank you for the time you spent on composing and replying to it. :) So I am debating on buying a transformer for my 50" Panasonic Plasma Monitor, Crating it up, and shipping it in the container versus selling it here and just buying a new one in NZ at a riduculously high price. I called Panasonic and they said my particular monitor has to have 60Hz and the built in transformer cannot convert it to 50Hz. Any idea's you have will be welcome. Thanks

[richsadams]

Thanks for the kind words. It was a labor of love.

I've never had to deal with a plasma TV so I can only go by the rule of thumb for "regular" TV's. However you said "Plasma Monitor". Does that mean it does not have a broadcast tuner? If not, I'd imagine it would work with a transformer and a STB (set top box) from SKY, etc. but I can't be sure. If it were an LCD, yes that shouldn't be a problem...but again, not sure about plasmas.

However if it is actually a TV (even though you may use a STB of some sort here in the U.S.) here is the guideline:

There's really only one thing to know...is your TV "Multi-system"? That means it is capable of auto switching from NTSC (U.S. standard) to PAL B/G (almost everywhere else standard). If not you'll need to sell it and buy a new one or buy an adapter because you won't be able to receive the local, cable or satellite TV channels.

If it is a multi-system TV it also should auto switch the power supply requirement. Somewhere near where the power cord comes out of the set it should say "Power Supply AC 100-240 V, 50/60 Hz". That's a pretty easy guide actually. If the power supply does NOT auto switch, it is more than likely an NTSC TV only and consequently would not work in NZ.

This company sells adapters as well as multi-system TV's (http://www.220-electronics.com/pal-ntsc-secam-video-converter.htm). Buying from them might be an option. Note that I have never used them and cannot vouch for them, but it'll give you an idea of what your options are.

Me? I'd sell it and buy an LCD flat panel TV (multi-system if you think you'll come back to the U.S. or PAL if not). Most of the world is moving away from Plasma due to their power consumption. Known in the rest of the world as the 4X4 SUV's of TV's, IIRC LG and some other companies are going to stop making them. I think the UK has or is about to outlaw them and there was an effort to do the same in NZ.

You could buy something new and ship it, but be aware that you may end up paying Import Duty plus GST (about 19%).

Hope that helps and if anyone has had some personal experience in this area, please share! I'll be sure to update the original post.

Best of luck and know that although your TV is important...once you get there it will likely be a much smaller part of your life than it is today. One because the programming leaves much to be desired (by comparison) and two because there are so many more important things that you'll be dealing with and enjoying as an immigrant to a wonderful new country! ;)

[DejaVoo]

Thanks Rich, Yes it is a monitor with no tuner or speakers. And it is multi-scan and can do PAL as well as NTSC. It is rated for 120-220v but only rated at 60Hz. So I think I would still have to get a transformer for the 50Hz NZ power.

I did not realize that the power consumption between Plasma and LCD were that different... Food for thought:roll

[richsadams]

Thanks Rich, Yes it is a monitor with no tuner or speakers. And it is multi-scan and can do PAL as well as NTSC. It is rated for 120-220v but only rated at 60Hz. So I think I would still have to get a transformer for the 50Hz NZ power.

I did not realize that the power consumption between Plasma and LCD were that different... Food for thought:rollI can't guarantee it, but you should have no problem then.

Transformers are only capable of power step up or step down. They don't change the frequency/Hertz (Hz). Since your set already has power auto switching a transformer would be of no use. All you'll need is a common mains adapter (http://www.220converters.com/store/p/134-Australia-New-Zealand-China-Universal-Plug-Adapter.html?feed=froogle).

Your monitor should work fine on 50Hz although it will tend to run a bit hotter than it does currently so having good ventilation is a must. All of our A/V equipment (including an Integra receiver - high-end Onkyo) was built for 110v 60Hz, but had no problem with NZ's 50Hz power...just ran hotter. All of our A/V equipment is still running just fine BTW.

About the only time frequency (Hertz) can come into play is with equipment that has a timer. Many timers depend on the correct frequency or cycles per second (cps) for accuracy. However most of today's equipment isn't affected by that since some version of a computer chip (which has it's own cps) is used to keep accurate time.

So if your plasma monitor is capable of power switching as well as PAL signals you should be in business!

Although you don't need one for your plasma monitor, I used voltage transformer/stabilizers (http://www.220converters.com/AR-3000-3000-Watts-Voltage-Converter-Stabilizer.htm) on my A/V equipment and other important electronics. Depending on where you live, the local power supply can be, well, unstable sometimes. We lived in both rural areas as well as the "city" (Auckland) and found power to be a little more stable in the city, but not always. Outages and subsequent spikes are much more common in NZ than in most parts of the U.S. as well so having your equipment on surge protection (if it doesn't use a transformer which has surge protection built in) is an absolulte must as well.

Not only do Plasmas use a good deal more energy than LCD's, they are a lot heavier as well. They used to have an advantage over LCD's when it came to PQ, particularly with motion...fast movement and such. But that was overcome a while back. Still some prefer one over the other. Whatever the case, you'll enjoy watching the All Blacks beat the heck out of everyone else on a large screen. And so will your neighbors once they find out you have one! :cheers

[bananamuffin]

So excited to have found this thread. First, many thanks to Rich for taking the time to compile all this info. I was just wondering what I'll do about my computers and laptops and other gadgets once the time comes, this thread has been very informative!

I have a Thinkpad T500 that I would hate to part with, a HP Pavilion desktop PC, several external hard drives and a brother laser printer that I could do without if I had to. I also have a high resolution HP scanner. I also have a Palm TX.

My partner has a macbook (one of the new unibody ones).

We also each have an iPod, and we have a Wii and a TV (no plans to bring). The Wii would be great but from what I gathered I won't be able to play games I buy there? Would it make sense to just sell this one and buy a new one there? Most of my movies and music are on my hard drives so no worries there.

I think we're still a ways off from any decision since our EOI just got selected a few days ago, but this is great info to follow so I know what not to buy in the interim and what to dispose of when the time comes.

[BkyMonster]

The Wii would be great but from what I gathered I won't be able to play games I buy there? Would it make sense to just sell this one and buy a new one there? Most of my movies and music are on my hard drives so no worries there.


We brought our Wii and Wiifit. Really, I'd look into the prices of both the Wii and the games here as they are fairly expensive. Compare that with the cost of getting US games shipped to you. That is what we have done.

The computers shouldn't be an issue though, they have a switch at the back for voltage change.

[dilanium]

The macbook will automatically switch. All I got for mine was a plug adaptor.

The scanner and printer I'm not sure about, ours were old and not worth bringing so we sold them.

I'd imagine the Palm would be all right, but look in the users guide- you may just need a new charger?

We brought our Wii, PS3, and our TV (A nice LCD HD TV). We have the local tv hooked up through HDMI so we have no issues with the PAL->NTSC conversion. Our PS3 just needed a plug adaptor. Our Wii is plugged into a converter.

I agree with Becky that it'll probably be more economical to bring your Wii and just have games shipped over when you buy new ones (unless you buy a lot of games very often? then I'm not sure). When we buy Blu-Ray disks or games we just buy them and have them shipped over, and it's often not THAT much more expensive than it would have been buying the games in the store. A brand new Wii game is (I think, as I said I haven't bought any) near $100 NZD here, and PS3 games are worse than that.

We're heading back to the US for a visit in a week or so and will be picking up any new movies and games that have come out recently that we want.

The other option with movies is to switch one computer to region 4 and leave the other on region one (if you bring any) and get an adaptor to plus your computer into your tv- then you can watch the movies right on the TV. :)

[IanW99]

...
The computers shouldn't be an issue though, they have a switch at the back for voltage change.

Just to note that not all desktop PCs have a switch to change the voltage from 110V to 230V.

Some will not have the option to work at 230V at all, and others will have a 'universal' PSU so don't need the switch.

Ian

[richsadams]

So excited to have found this thread. First, many thanks to Rich for taking the time to compile all this info. I was just wondering what I'll do about my computers and laptops and other gadgets once the time comes, this thread has been very informative!

I have a Thinkpad T500 that I would hate to part with, a HP Pavilion desktop PC, several external hard drives and a brother laser printer that I could do without if I had to. I also have a high resolution HP scanner. I also have a Palm TX.

My partner has a macbook (one of the new unibody ones).

We also each have an iPod, and we have a Wii and a TV (no plans to bring). The Wii would be great but from what I gathered I won't be able to play games I buy there? Would it make sense to just sell this one and buy a new one there? Most of my movies and music are on my hard drives so no worries there.

I think we're still a ways off from any decision since our EOI just got selected a few days ago, but this is great info to follow so I know what not to buy in the interim and what to dispose of when the time comes.Glad to be of service!

Most any computer will work fine in NZ with a mains adapter. Some desktop models have a 110v/220v switch on the power supply (back of the computer) that will need to be flipped before you plug it in and others have auto-switch now. Your Thinkpad laptop will work fine. You can get a mains adapter or you can go to Dick Smith and get a replacement power cord (the part that plugs into the power brick and the wall) for a few dollars. Your Macbook will be fine with a mains adapter as well.

With regard to the external hard drives, most have auto-switching power supplies and will only need a mains adapter or a replacement power cord. But check on the power brick to be sure it says 110v/220v 60Hz/50Hz. Otherwise you'll need to connect them to a step-down transformer or replace the power supply when you get there.

I think the others have covered your Wii questions.

Congrats on being selected. It's an exciting and (mostly) fun journey. There will likely be setbacks and it'll probably be a bit of a bumpy ride but hang in there and you'll be very glad you did. Best of luck! :nice1

[bananamuffin]

Becky, dilanium and Rich, thanks for the replies. I definitely think I'll keep the Wii then and bring it over. I don't buy many games, I have a few favorites that I play often and will probably get a few more and bring them over. Since my partner is an American citizen and will be coming back regularly to visit family she can bring me back the games I want :)

How is it possible to figure out if my desktop PC will autoswitch?

Regarding the printer and scanner, I can do without them and probably buy them there. I'll check into the Palm and report back.

Thanks much everyone! :)

[richsadams]

Becky, dilanium and Rich, thanks for the replies. I definitely think I'll keep the Wii then and bring it over. I don't buy many games, I have a few favorites that I play often and will probably get a few more and bring them over. Since my partner is an American citizen and will be coming back regularly to visit family she can bring me back the games I want :)

How is it possible to figure out if my desktop PC will autoswitch?

Regarding the printer and scanner, I can do without them and probably buy them there. I'll check into the Palm and report back.

Thanks much everyone! :)Look at the back of your PC. The power supply is usually located at the top. If it has a switch it will be there.

http://i43.tinypic.com/2d1sro9.jpg

Otherwise you'll need to check the power specs (might have to open the PC's box) and see if it lists 110v/220v 60Hz/50Hz. If so, it'll switch automatically.

[denalipop]

I'm planning to bring over a bunch of computers and musical equipment (keyboards, amp simulator, stereo, speakers, etc.). Here in the US, I keep all my equipment plugged into Universal Power Supplies (UPS), which act as a surge protector and battery backup.

Is there any way to use US-based UPSes in NZ? I'd love to not have to find separate converters for each piece of gear. In fact, I'd love to have two or more HUGE transformers that power the entire home office and music studio! But I'm guessing that would be super-expensive...

[richsadams]

I'm planning to bring over a bunch of computers and musical equipment (keyboards, amp simulator, stereo, speakers, etc.). Here in the US, I keep all my equipment plugged into Universal Power Supplies (UPS), which act as a surge protector and battery backup.

Is there any way to use US-based UPSes in NZ? I'd love to not have to find separate converters for each piece of gear. In fact, I'd love to have two or more HUGE transformers that power the entire home office and music studio! But I'm guessing that would be super-expensive...If you plugged a US UPS into a NZ power source it would blow out immediately. Resign yourself to the fact that you'll need to sell them (as well as any surge protectors) or give them away before you leave.

So your best bet is to purchase what you need on line and take it with you. Although you can usually buy what you need there, the cost is much higher. Per my original post, we took about a dozen varieties of step-down transformers, power converters and such with us. The total cost including shipping was a little over $600 at the time. We purchased them along with some power strips (not surge protectors...see below), mains adapters and a few other things from this company:

www.world-import.com

I contacted them ahead of time and they gave us a bulk discount rate and a discount on shipping as well. This company sells the same type of products (and there are plenty of others):

http://www.220-electronics.com/voltageconverter/voltage_converter_guide.htm

You could certainly run more than one piece of equipment off of a single transformer. They aren't all that expensive and the difference between low wattage models and high wattage models isn't that great either. Again, per my original post, just be sure that it not only covers the total wattage of the electronics but has plenty of head room. Generally doubling the required wattage is the safest rule of thumb. In other words, if the equipment you want to run off of one transformer requires 1000W, a 2000W transformer is recommended. The only caveat is that the larger the capacity the heavier the transformer...to the tune of 25lbs., 30lbs. or more for the larger ones. So be prepared to forklift them in and leave them where you put them. :laugh

And a note of caution: Never use a surge protector with a step-down transformer! Here is a very good article that clearly explains why and how dangerous doing so can be:

http://www.gson.org/stepdown/

[denalipop]

Ah thanks for the warnings!

So, it sounds like I will need to buy NZ-compatible UPSes, correct? And then plug each computer into a UPS using an adaptor (assuming the computer supports NZ power). Does that sound right?

[richsadams]

Ah thanks for the warnings!

So, it sounds like I will need to buy NZ-compatible UPSes, correct? And then plug each computer into a UPS using an adaptor (assuming the computer supports NZ power). Does that sound right?Yes and yes. Rather than buying mains adapters for the computers we just bought replacement power cords for the computers once we got there (like this (http://www.dse.co.nz/dse.shop/4a5cee2f020208302740c0a87f3b05ff/Product/View/W1392)). Computers are more-or-less universal and will almost certainly run on NZ 240v (see the posts above) and replacement cords can be found at Dick Smith. Or you can probably find them cheaper on line and buy some before you go.

Laptops don't need a UPS of course since they already have a battery built in.

As you suggest, buying compatible UPS's before you go is a good idea. They are expensive there. (Anything that's heavy or bulky is expensive due to shipping costs.) Here are some examples of UPS's:

http://www.dse.co.nz/dse.shop/4a5cee2f020208302740c0a87f3b05ff/Export/catalogs/CTG0002065

[PonyGirl]

Has anyone taken an iPod touch from the US to NZ? I have been looking to see if it will charge okay and can't find any answers. Since it charges through a USB, I am not sure if the power difference for my laptop (which is multi-voltage) will affect it or not. I am no expert, so I really don't know how it works and don't know if it really is a concern or not, but it is a question in my head. LOL I wanted to get a wall plug charger/USB adaptor so I can plug it in at night, but again, I wasn't sure if the power difference would be an issue and if the iPod touch was multi-voltage. I looked at the paperwork that came with it, checked Apple's website and can't seem to find an answer. I'd appreciate any help. Thanks!!

[denalipop]

My understanding, and I might be wrong about this, is that once AC (from the wall) is converted to DC, it doesn't matter what Volts and Hz the original AC was.

So as long as the internal power supply of a computer converts AC to DC before sending power to any components (motherboard, video card, sound card, usb ports, etc.), it shouldn't matter what AC was used to feed the power supply.

Of course, I could be totally wrong! But that would be my guess.

[PonyGirl]

That would make sense...I think. LOL I've found some forums where people have used US Ipod Touches in the UK with no problems, so I would assume it would be ok in NZ. I just can't find an official statement. Its just an expensive little electronic and I don't want to fry it. LOL I'll probably give Apple a call and see what they say just to make sure.

[PonyGirl]

I called Apple and you were right on Denalipop! They said as long as the wall adapter is multi-voltage, it will convert it to DC and everything will work just fine. Same applies to the laptop. So, I reckon I am good to go! Thanks!

[GrumpyGoat]

Just to confirm, we use only a plug adapter to charge ours with the plug charger.
Same for the laptops--just a plug adapter.

Even our printer works with a plug adapter.

Only the Mitsubishi TV needed a step down transformer.

[GrumpyGoat]

Glad that this thread is up and going again

Can I use a surge protector in my step down transformer? Can anyone confirm that this is safe?

I have a step down transformer (about 3x greater than needed) for my big TV and I want to plug a surge protector into it to get more plugs so I can plug in our US VCR and DVD recorder. Will this be a problem--the "surge" protecting part? Do I need just a power strip? (I would have to get one shipped from the US so would rather use the surge protector)

I know to power them on one at a time.

I hope some electrical genius can come and answer this for me.
Rich?

[denalipop]

I read somewhere that we should only use NZ-compatible surge protectors in NZ. So I'm selling all my US-bought surge protectors before I get there.

[richsadams]

Can I use a surge protector in my step down transformer? Can anyone confirm that this is safe?

I have a step down transformer (about 3x greater than needed) for my big TV and I want to plug a surge protector into it to get more plugs so I can plug in our US VCR and DVD recorder. Will this be a problem--the "surge" protecting part? Do I need just a power strip? (I would have to get one shipped from the US so would rather use the surge protector)

I know to power them on one at a time.

I hope some electrical genius can come and answer this for me.
Rich?G'day all. An answer from a genius may follow, but for now...it's just me. :)

Per my earlier note (http://www.emigratenz.org/forum/showpost.php?p=307802&postcount=111)...Never use a surge protector with a step-down transformer! Here is a very good article that clearly explains why and how dangerous doing so can be:

http://www.gson.org/stepdown/

And then, from the article...


If you must use a power strip, make very sure it doesn't have surge protection built in.

Keep in mind also that when you turn on your "big TV" it can use up to triple the amperage initially. That puts a big demand on your step-down transformer...and it's wise that you have one with 3X the required wattage for your TV. That said, if anything else was running when you turned the TV on, it may overload the transformer. So be very careful about what you add on besides the TV.

Hope that helps!

[richsadams]

I read somewhere that we should only use NZ-compatible surge protectors in NZ. So I'm selling all my US-bought surge protectors before I get there.A very wise move. :nice1 You can pick some up at Dick Smith when you arrive.

[IanW99]

...
Keep in mind also that when you turn on your "big TV" it can use up to triple the amperage initially. That puts a big demand on your step-down transformer...and it's wise that you have one with 3X the required wattage for your TV....


This was true of CRT displays due to the degauss circuit being activated when the TV was powered on, is it still true of large screen LCD or LED TVs?

Ian

[GrumpyGoat]

Per my earlier note (http://www.emigratenz.org/forum/showpost.php?p=307802&postcount=111)...Never use a surge protector with a step-down transformer! Here is a very good article that clearly explains why and how dangerous doing so can be:

http://www.gson.org/stepdown/




Keep in mind also that when you turn on your "big TV" it can use up to triple the amperage initially. That puts a big demand on your step-down transformer...and it's wise that you have one with 3X the required wattage for your TV. That said, if anything else was running when you turned the TV on, it may overload the transformer. So be very careful about what you add on besides the TV.

Hope that helps!

I have actually read this article previously. This is part of the reason I am confused.
He states that this configuration works initially (when it is all plugged in correctly) but when he re-plugs (and reverses), it blows.

I can understand how easily this could happen with an UK plug--which can be plugged in either way.
But the NZ plug is shaped so that it only plugs in one way. Also, the US plug is also shaped to fit only one way (if it has that 3rd prong for grounding, as all of our electronic equipment does)
That eliminates this particular hazard spoken of in the article.

So that still leaves me wondering if a surge protector can be adequately used to increase the number of plugs for the step down transformer--as long as it is plugged in correctly?
And, in the article, it DID work without incident initially.
Basically, the guy plugging it in backwards was the problem and not the surge protector, per se.

Am I missing something?

And yes, I purposely bought a transformer that was 3x in order to accommodate the spike when it is started up. My understanding is that you power on the TV first and let the spike dissipate and then you can power on the lower amp item (i.e. the VCR).

I have several power strips that hitched a ride with us but none of these will work as they have no ground prong--only 2 plug holes for the US plugs. Even if we removed the ground prong from our electronic plugs (a bad idea all the way around), I would be afraid to use one of these based on that particular article--because suddenly, they will plug in more than one way like the UK plug. That leaves me with a couple of surge protectors to choose from--from a very nice home theater one to a cruddy walmart type device that looks more like a NZ power strip than a surge protector (but has some sort of surge protection built in)

Otherwise, I will need to have my mother go find basically an extension cord with multiple 3 prong outlets on it (as it seems that EVERYTHING has some kind of surge protection in it) and mail it to NZ. I imagine that this could be a long process indeed....

By the time we have been here TWO years, we might have all of our stuff working. Maybe. :wah
I suppose if it takes much longer, the kids won't care anymore about watching these disney movies--as they will be too old.

[richsadams]

This was true of CRT displays due to the degauss circuit being activated when the TV was powered on, is it still true of large screen LCD or LED TVs?

IanGood point. Still mostly true with RP (rear projection) TV's, somewhat true of plasmas (although neither nearly as much as CRT's), but not true of LCD or LED TV/monitors. So if you have a flat-panel the additional "head room" isn't an issue.

[richsadams]

I have actually read this article previously. This is part of the reason I am confused.
He states that this configuration works initially (when it is all plugged in correctly) but when he re-plugs (and reverses), it blows. <snip>Agreed that the issue in the article is a bit apples and oranges, but it's common advice that you should never plug a surge protector into another surge protector for a number of reasons. One important one is that some surge protectors limit current. You could feasibly "starve" a CE product attached to the "second" power supply similar to an ongoing brown-out. A sustained dip in the supply voltage can damage equipment.

A step-down transformer (or power conditioner for that matter) already has surge protection built in which is much more sophisticated than a power-strip w/surge protection. In other words, a power spike of some nature will cause the unit to shut down automatically anyway. Plugging a surge protected power strip into a transformer assumes that whatever is connected to it needs additional protection...from the transformer, which it doesn't.

So it's certainly your call, but I would avoid using a surge protector with a transformer. If you simply need additional outlets, a well-made power strip should do the trick (as long as the total wattage demand is ideally half of the total output of the transformer).

[IanW99]

...
I can understand how easily this could happen with an UK plug--which can be plugged in either way.
...


Just to be clear, it isn't possible to plug in a UK mains plug the wrong way around, no matter how hard you try :)

The article is discussing a European plug where it is possible to reverse the connection.

Ian

[kevjpalmer]

Hi.

We have a nice Dyson vacuum that we would like to take with us to NZ
(120V 60Hz 12 A)

Any idea if this will work OK? - I wasn't sure if it would have similar issue to washing machines as it has a motor.

Thanks!

Kevin

[Wooly_Cow]

Hi.

We have a nice Dyson vacuum that we would like to take with us to NZ
(120V 60Hz 12 A)

Any idea if this will work OK? - I wasn't sure if it would have similar issue to washing machines as it has a motor.

Thanks!

Kevin

Nope - NZ has 240 (+ or - 6%) volts AC 50 hertz...you'd need a transformer.

Also you'd need to clean it REALLY well. MAFF are very fussy on any seeds, pollen and stuff you might bring in

[kevjpalmer]

Thanks Jan....great tip on the cleaning....but sounds like if we buy a step down transformer it will work?

[72andsunny]

Hi all, I bought a couple of super cheap voltage converters: http://www.estoreoffer.com/ar5000-5000-watt-voltage-converter-regulator-step-updown-p-534.html

Now I realize they don't say "transformer" anywhere on them. It looks like they'll convert 220-240 to 110-120 (and vice versa). Is that all I need them to do?

Sorry if this is a stupid question; I'm not terribly electrically educated.

Thanks!

[Jolie]

Voltage converters are smaller travel size converters available in both Step Up and Step Down. These converters can be used for electric items with heating devices or motors such as hair dryer, curlers, irons, shaver, radio, electric calculators etc...

Converters are used for shorter period of time. Voltage transformers are bigger and heavier in size. They also come in Step Up, Step Down or both Step Up/Down. Although transformers are designed for longer or continuous use, its always better to unplug a transformer when not in use for longer life.

Always make sure to check the wattage of your appliances before using voltage converter/transformer.

More on selecting the correct converter or transformer by determining the required wattage capacity of your appliance(s) here (http://buyersguide.bargainoffers.com/voltage_guide.shtml).

[richsadams]

Hi all, I bought a couple of super cheap voltage converters: http://www.estoreoffer.com/ar5000-5000-watt-voltage-converter-regulator-step-updown-p-534.html

Now I realize they don't say "transformer" anywhere on them. It looks like they'll convert 220-240 to 110-120 (and vice versa). Is that all I need them to do?

Sorry if this is a stupid question; I'm not terribly electrically educated.

Thanks!"Transformer" is just terminology, although it does say "Heavy duty transformer for continuous use" in the description. If what you want to do is use 110V electronics in a 240V environment the linked product should work fine. It's a step up/step down voltage converter and the description says it has the added benefit of power conditioning which is a plus.

We used a number of the exact same type (Seven Star w/various wattages) and with the exception of one that suddenly died (never figured out why) they worked very well.

[emylou]

Hi Ian, you posted this thread to check out on my sewing machine thread. So I checked out the websites that sell transformers, looking at the pictures of the transformers the plug is not going to plug into a NZ power point, so how does that work? How much do these transformers weight roughly?

[IanW99]

Hi Ian, you posted this thread to check out on my sewing machine thread. So I checked out the websites that sell transformers, looking at the pictures of the transformers the plug is not going to plug into a NZ power point, so how does that work? How much do these transformers weight roughly?

For the plug you can either replace it with a NZ one or use an adapter.

Transformers are very heavy as a rule they are generally full of metal cores / ferrite and lot's of windings of wire. The actual size and weight will be down to how much power the transformer has to handle.

Have you checked what your sewing machine requires regarding voltage and power? Should be a label normally near the mains lead that should say something like 110V 1.5A or 300W or something similar. If you can post that information then maybe someone can tell you some sizes.

Are you going to get a transformer just for this appliance or will you want to use if for several?

Ian

[Nathan]

Lamps....

I took some lamps with three way sockets to NZ, switched the plugs and pt in 240v bulbs... not 3-way 'cause I could find them in NZ. All good. Now that I'm back in the States, I switched the plugs back and put in new 120v, 3-way bulbs. No 3-way! Did something get fried? Could it be an NZ safety issue?

[lin]

Most computer printers also switch automatically (check the label on or near the power cord). You might want to stock up on ink though, it's fairly expensive here.



don't want to go off topic, but would suggest that anyone bringing a printer should double check that they can get the correct ink cartridges in NZ as we weren't aware that (all?) printers are 'region specific' - well, that's what the NZ manufacturer told us when I couldn't find any for our model printer. We can't get ink cartridges on the high-street for the printer we bought in Ireland less than 12 months ago. :no

good post richsadams :nice1

[IanW99]

don't want to go off topic, but would suggest that anyone bringing a printer should double check that they can get the correct ink cartridges in NZ as we weren't aware that (all?) printers are 'region specific' - well, that's what the NZ manufacturer told us when I couldn't find any for our model printer. We can't get ink cartridges on the high-street for the printer we bought in Ireland less than 12 months ago. :no

good post richsadams :nice1

As you say, some printer cartridges are region encoded.

Have you asked the manufacturer to get the region code changed to NZ, I know that at least one other forum member had theirs changed so that they could use NZ cartridges.

Ian

[lin]

As you say, some printer cartridges are region encoded.

Have you asked the manufacturer to get the region code changed to NZ, I know that at least one other forum member had theirs changed so that they could use NZ cartridges.

Ian


Oh, I hadn't thought of that Ian, the 'helpful' person that responded to my original query in Epson NZ just suggested we buy a new printer. I'll follow up on your suggestion once I've used up all my supplies. Cheers, thanks for that. :nice1

[Ana&Steve]

the 'helpful' person that responded to my original query in Epson NZ just suggested we buy a new printer.
*snort*:roll

[lin]

*snort*:roll

I know - they did stop short of suggesting we buy another Epson, but only just!! :yes

[Addicted to NZ]

Hi guys,

I have a question?

What is the standard house/home outlet max output for NZ?

I believe in Canada (NA in general) it is 1500Watts from the standard wall outlet. I could be wrong.

I am thinking/hoping...I wouldn't need more the 2000W transformers in each area for the treadmill... small kitchen appliances (mixer, etc. Not the fridge or stove). Maybe some shop tools...table saw, grinder, drill, etc (personal attachment to these tool...parents gave them to me).

[Duncan74]

Would be sceptical about the treadmill working. They would use the mains frequency for the speed I think, so you'd end up running 20% overspeed (60hz instead of 50hz) at a guess. Check the 'plate' or instructions on the treadmill to see if it can cope with other power inputs than native US.

I think NZ sockets are rated at 10 amps, so logically that's 2200 watts, but nothing's that simple.

As mentioned as well as the cost of the transformers there's the ongoing cost of the wasted electricity even when the appliances aren't in use (unless you power down the transformer) and so you need to think about the economics of shipping and running US voltage appliances.

[Addicted to NZ]

Would be sceptical about the treadmill working. They would use the mains frequency for the speed I think, so you'd end up running 20% overspeed (60hz instead of 50hz) at a guess. Check the 'plate' or instructions on the treadmill to see if it can cope with other power inputs than native US.

I think NZ sockets are rated at 10 amps, so logically that's 2200 watts, but nothing's that simple.

As mentioned as well as the cost of the transformers there's the ongoing cost of the wasted electricity even when the appliances aren't in use (unless you power down the transformer) and so you need to think about the economics of shipping and running US voltage appliances.

I do not know a whole lot about electricy...really. But doesn't the transformer step the 220 down to 110-120? And adjust the 50hz to 60hz?

As for the transformers being on all the time...the only one that would be on 24/7 would be the one the TV,Speaker Bar and Sub are planned to be on. The other could be turned on and off as needed.

As for the shipping....everything is going into a 40ft container.

Thnks Duncan for your reply.

[Ana&Steve]

I do not know a whole lot about electricy...really. But doesn't the transformer step the 220 down to 110-120? And adjust the 50hz to 60hz?
Neither do I, but I think somewhere in the 1st pages of the thread (or maybe another electricity thread!) why Hz just aren't convertible.

[Duncan74]

Mains comes through in 'waves' like sound. The voltage is actually the peak voltage, so it goes from +220 to -220, ore 120v. That's fairly easy to adjust, with the current changing to compenate for increased / decreased voltage. The way it's done is actually to use magnets with wire wrapped round them carrying the mains on one side, and the new output power on the other. The ratio or windings dictates the voltage change. But, to change the frequency would need for some periods the input voltage to be say +220v and the output -120v, and then half a second later it would be +220 and +120, and inbetween it's all sorts of values. So you'd need to store enough power somehow to be able to push out 10amps at +120v when you've got -120v coming in. It's not totally impossible but totally uneconomic for the sort of application you're talking about.

Note, the above is based on A level electornics a fair few years ago. Apologies from any currently qualified people for the inaccuracies in terminology ;)

[mylesdw]

The AC mains voltage is not the peak, it's RMS which is basically an average; the peaks are much greater.

As Duncan mentions, changing the frequency is complicated and expensive. It can be done but it is for the most part unnecessary.

The only things effected are AC electric motors which will run slower and hotter at 50Hz. My brother in law brought a huge double fridge back from the US to England and has run it on a transformer and 50Hz for nearly ten years without any problems.

Equipment with variable speed motors like your treadmill will either use DC motors or they will vary the frequency anyway. The worst that could happen is that if the treadmill has a readout of MPH it might read higher than belt is actually travelling.

[Kiwi Mac]

Hi guys,

I have a question?

What is the standard house/home outlet max output for NZ?

I believe in Canada (NA in general) it is 1500Watts from the standard wall outlet. I could be wrong.

I am thinking/hoping...I wouldn't need more the 2000W transformers in each area for the treadmill... small kitchen appliances (mixer, etc. Not the fridge or stove). Maybe some shop tools...table saw, grinder, drill, etc (personal attachment to these tool...parents gave them to me).

Worth noting that many houses here have less than the most modern wiring etc....!!

Overloading them probably wouldn't be too hard.

[Addicted to NZ]

Thanks you for the responses! You have certainly eased my mind a little.

Basically I shouldn't worry too much eh?

I know this has probably been asked already (and I will do a search on the forums or google...just got to eat first lol). Any issues with North American Plasma TV, Yamaha sound bar and Powered Sub @ 50hz? I can't see it being a problem. Sound bar has a built in powered amp. I checked the labels and will check again. I am pretty sure they did not have the 110-220 60/50hz on them.

Hate the thought of having to give up my TV...anything but the TV:wah

[mylesdw]

The worst case is that you will need to run them through a step-down transformer. Mains frequency should not be an issue with electronic equipment. Whether your TV will receive off-air broadcasts in NZ is another question; I'm guessing probably not.