[river11]

Hi,

I'm wondering whether it's worthing sending off my EOI just yet.
I've 110points, no job offer. My work and over 10 years experience are on the Identified future growth areas list.
I'm not in any rush just yet as if we were succesful would be looking at 2008 to make the move. (Made the initial decision 12 months ago and been researching since, wife went cold on the idea now she's the one who's keen to get going).
I know it stays in the pool or a while, is anyone else in this situation?

R

[Chutney]

Sounds like you're in a similar situation to us, river - 120 points, no offer, no hurry to get out there.

At the minute we can't submit anyway until our daughter's passport arrives (9 months old - why does she need her own pasport???), but I'd be interested in any responses to this. I get the impression that EOIs which wouldn't be accepted one month suddenly get picked up later on simply as the number selected rollercoasters month on month...

[StevieD]

Personal decision mate! There are so many factors and the only person who can really decide is you.

If you looking at the length of time it takes, it could be 8-12 months from initial application because that seems to be the timescale of the process. Could be quicker if you wanted, but we strung ours out to the max re-4 months to complete and submit ITA, and it depends on your situation and what you want to do.

good luck regardless.

Steve

[river11]

Chutney

you've mentioned something I've not considered... we have 2 young ones who are still on my wifes passport. To submit the EOI do we require each child to have their own passport?

R

[Chutney]

river

I think so - we've filled in a fair chunk of the EOI but the status of a couple of sections are still there as incomplete (one of them because there's no passport details for our daughter). I'm assuming that every section needs to have a status of complete to submit - could be wrong of course.

Don't know really know where you stand if they're on your wife's passport - don't think you can add them to an adult passport these days, hence we need a new one.

[Arclite]

River

You will be surprised how quick it moves we applied EOI on Nov 16 and were accepted EOI 30th Nov ! (eek) - I like you am on the critical skills shortage list.

The medicals were done next to make sure we were OK, now I have a case officer and we are rolling along. At this rate we might be able to go as soon as June !

I don't have a job but have several leads to follow up

The big hold up is NZQA - they don't hurry

Apart from that you will be suprised how quickly it happens


Arc

[river11]

Regarding NZQA. I've had a preliminary result as level 5 which was submitted online. At the next stage do you then send out your original documents to NZQA.
Would this include my OH as she is gaining me an extra 10 points?
How do they assess them?
Do they contact the original institute or in my case BTEC?
The reson being, I've been trying to get hold of another copy of the original. My college doesn't keep records going back that far (20 years) and BTEC only keeps their records on microfiche and after several months I'm getting nowhere.
This is going a bit off topic so I'll start a new thread on this subject, sorry.

R

[Arclite]

I only sent my originals to NZQA as my wife did not gain me any extra points (Grins and flinches at the same time to avoid incoming fire).

I think NZQA will want to see yours and your wifes, when added together the NZIS will look at the complete picture. Remember NZIS and NZQA are not connected. NZQA is an independent review body (we'd call it a QUANGO over here in the UK).

I think you will need 2 separate but linked reviews by NZQA, write it in your covering letter and you will be OK.

Hope this makes sense

Arc

[river11]

Can you send off your certificates 1st to NZQA just to make sure they qualify, as NZIS have given them level 5 but would NZQA give them less?

R

[Arclite]

Based on my experiences I would say yes.

Your pre-assessment is by NZQA anyway and not NZIS as I recall. My dealings so far with NZQA suggest that they are cautious and actually underscore until they have seen the actual documents.

Thay have recently bounced back some of my Trade quals as 'they have no NZ equivalents and therefore cannot mark them', it came down to my degree and HND (plus O levels to prove I left secondary school !)
and that was all (despite sending a huge wadge of paperwork over to them)

I am still awaiting my results from NZQA - still it's only been a month so that is not long in NZQA terms I'm told (search threads NZQA and you'll see what I mean)

Arc

[river11]

Getting my letters mixed up, it was NZQA who assessed my qual as a level 5 not NZIS. I think I'll be getting this area sorted out first before my EOI.

R

[bpk]

River

You will be surprised how quick it moves we applied EOI on Nov 16 and were accepted EOI 30th Nov ! (eek) - I like you am on the critical skills shortage list.

Arc

Wooooooooo, how come did your EOI processed very quick? May I ask you how many points did you got?

Although, do you have alink of the critical skills shortage list??
Thanks,

[Arclite]

Yes it was quick althjough if you watch the EOI trawl is every 2 weeks and we were accepted 2 weeks after that (so 4 weeks end to end)

I think I had 120 points as I recall, and the cutoff was 105 at that point.

When you fill in the full NZIS form there are points sections (as you know) and one or two of these relate to skills types and work shortages.

On the NZIS website there is a list of the occupations currently in short supply, and a critical skills shortage list (obviously they are keen on these 2 categories) - if you are in one of them I think this gives you extra points.

If you can't find the list then post me and I'll put the link on the board.

hope this helps

Arc

[MB]

river11 - in response to your original question:

take this with a very big pinch of salt, because I don't keep half as much of an eye on points levels as I used to, but it might be worth watching how the next few draws work out before submitting your EOI. Examine the breakdown of applicants on the fortnightly info. sheet that NZIS puts online.

My reasoning for this is that NZIS seem to be getting quite a number of EOIs in the 140+ point range right now, and also seem to be getting a good amount from folks with job offers. So it might be worth seeing how the numbers -- of folks with either a job offer or 140+ points or both -- fluctuate or stay constant over the next couple of months. Doing so might give you a sense of when NZIS will start, again, to accord a lot of attention to folks in your own point range and in your situation re. no job offer.

Bear in mind that NZIS probably put something of a halt to the '100 point PR' era because they had gathered enough applications to be going on with... and that the points situation that has been in place since Dec. 15th is a pretty new 'remedy' for that.

So, maybe, see how the dust settles as you seem to have the luxury of time. It could be that the current situation, whereby hundreds of pool folks have 140+ and/or a job offer each fortnight, might change in favor of folks in your own position (which, by the way, is very similar to ours when our EOI was chosen a year or two ago).

All the best with your plans! :nice1

[Trigirl]

hi river11 - reading through your initial post you need to be careful which area you are claiming points for. you said your experience is on the identified future growth areas list – but you can’t claim points for experience in those areas unless you already hold a job or offer in NZ. the only area that you can claim experience points for without a job or offer in NZ is the absolute skills shortage list.

might just be worth checking

[river11]

Thanks MB, I tend to check most days so I'll keep an eye on it.

Trigirl, the area I've claimed points for is;
Relevant work experience
Number of such years experience in any one of NZ's:
identified future growth areas? I've had 6 or more.
I've also tried this as none and I get the same amount of points.

Or are you referring to;
Skilled Employment
Is your work, or offer of employment, in any one of NZ's:
identified future growth areas?

If so I've put none for all this section

R

[Trigirl]

Hi river11 - what i meant was:

unless you are claiming points for the skilled employment section you refer to, you can't claim any points for the work experience being in an area of future growth. it looks as though the form might be doing that for you automatically though.

on the original question my opinion would be unless you have

140 points; or
a job; or
points for exp / quals in an area of absolute skills shortage

then there's no point in putting an EOI in just at the moment - though as MB says that may change over time.

[river11]

Trigirl

things are never straightforward. I won't be submitting for some time I imagine in any case.

Qualifications and bonus points
PLEASE NOTE: A qualification(s) in an identified future growth area or cluster only qualifies for bonus points if you are also claiming points for current skilled employment or an offer of skilled employment in an identified future growth area or cluster.

Does this section then relate to employment in New Zealand?

If so, this section may have inadvertently given me 5 points as I'm on 115.

R

[Trigirl]

Yes it does only relate to employment in New Zealand.

As you say things are never straightforward. Lots of luck when you do decide to submit.

[starkhorn]

Chutney

you've mentioned something I've not considered... we have 2 young ones who are still on my wifes passport. To submit the EOI do we require each child to have their own passport?

R

Also one thing to remember is if you are actually travelling out to NZ via LA (assuming your based in UK of course) is that I read on the AirNZ website that children on parents passports aren't allowed to go through LAX or anywhere in the US it seems. Here was the link from airNZ.

http://www.airnewzealand.co.uk/highlights/children_on_parents.htm

So if you go out to NZ via the US, then you are going to need to get your children passports anyway.

Just thought to mention it, in case.

Cheers