[firstkings]

Hi,

Uni is a long way off for my brood, and I know systems change, but at the mo', how would my children stand for applying to UK uni's from NZ? They have UK passports. Will they have to pay the rip off foreign students rates or would they be eligible for the "normal" Uk rates?

Technical one Iknow, but I'm in that sort of mood!

Cheers

David

[veronica]

To be honest I wouldn't even think that far ahead, the regulations with UNI stuff will have changed a few times by then. The hardest bit in that scenario that I could visualise would be you having to pay the tuition fees, lodgings etc for them while they were over there and you were here on a NZ wage.

[firstkings]

Thanks Veronica, I know it is a long way off, but I wondered if there were guiding principles as to who is entitled to "free"/"domestic" uni education. The tuition fees for foreign students are 10 times the domestic "top up" fees. Lodgings; I'm not so worried about - I paid for myself...they'll have to as well!

Cheers

David

[lorilou]

I'm just about to graduate from a UK uni after a four year degree (so Im on the system before top-up fees). I'm an NZ citizen but have a UK passport since I was UK born, so decided to come to uni in England just to be in Europe for a while.
At the time I started uni, you were not entitled to pay 'home' fees if you had been living away from the UK/EU for the past three years. So for me, I decided to live and work in Europe (France) for three years in order qualify for 'home' fees status, just cause I thought it was ridiculous that I should have to pay foreign fees regardless of my UK citizenship.
So as far as I know, unless the system has changed regarding the rights of UK passport holders who have been resident outside of the EU for the past three years running up to uni, you have to pay foreign fees, or else wait.
Hope this has helped.

[Fizz]

OMG...is this true?!!!! Even if you were born and bred in the UK and left for a couple of years before Uni?
Just about to drag a reluctant 16 year old off to NZ this summer who is convinced she will return to the UK in couple of years to go to Uni!
That's so hard to swallow and may put a huge nail in the coffin.
I know and hope that she might change her mind when she has settled in NZ but what a huge WHAT IF! International student fees are massive and we couldn't afford it. I feel trapped!

[willsken]

OMG...is this true?!!!! Even if you were born and bred in the UK and left for a couple of years before Uni?
Just about to drag a reluctant 16 year old off to NZ this summer who is convinced she will return to the UK in couple of years to go to Uni!
That's so hard to swallow and may put a huge nail in the coffin.
I know and hope that she might change her mind when she has settled in NZ but what a huge WHAT IF! International student fees are massive and we couldn't afford it. I feel trapped!

Hi Fizz

Take a deep breath! You are about to go to NZ with her now and she will have 3 years to get back to the UK (according to the previous post). I am sure that she will have well and truly made you her mind by then. As long as it is practical for her to get back within 3 years that is! :nice1

[Fizz]

Hi Fizz

Take a deep breath! You are about to go to NZ with her now and she will have 3 years to get back to the UK (according to the previous post). I am sure that she will have well and truly made you her mind by then. As long as it is practical for her to get back within 3 years that is! :nice1


Ohhhhh I am sooooo confused!!!! I read that post as I understand(doesn't count for much, I know!) to mean that you have to be living in the UK/EU for the whole three years leading up to uni to qualify as a 'home' student even if you are a UK citizen. If that is the case and she comes with us now then decides to go to uni in 2 years time at 18, she will have to move back to the UK for 3 years before she can qualify for 'home' student fees and go to uni at the of 22!!! I don't think that will go down too well!
Why do you always find these things out at the 11th hour? I can't believe I missed this one! I have researched sooooo much into everything (including how NZ qualifications would stand up in a UK uni )and let this one slip.I just assumed it would be OK. What a moose!

[gil]

Hi Fizz,
We, too, are dragging a reluctant 15 year-old who is convinced she will be back in UK at 18 to go to Uni . I am very hopeful (partly based on friends' sons who were "dragged" at the same age) that she will want to go to Uni in NZ with her friends when the time comes, but it's difficult to know for sure.
I must admit, the eligibility question hadn't crossed my mind, but I think Weronica is right: things will likely change a lot over the next 2-3 years. Whilst it worries me deep down, I also keep thinking that we can't base the other five members of our family's future on what one of us may or may not want to do in 3 years. What a dilemma!
Probably not very helpful, sorry, but I do share your feelings!
All the best,
Gil

[Fizz]

Hi Fizz,
We, too, are dragging a reluctant 15 year-old who is convinced she will be back in UK at 18 to go to Uni . I am very hopeful (partly based on friends' sons who were "dragged" at the same age) that she will want to go to Uni in NZ with her friends when the time comes, but it's difficult to know for sure.
I must admit, the eligibility question hadn't crossed my mind, but I think Weronica is right: things will likely change a lot over the next 2-3 years. Whilst it worries me deep down, I also keep thinking that we can't base the other five members of our family's future on what one of us may or may not want to do in 3 years. What a dilemma!
Probably not very helpful, sorry, but I do share your feelings!
All the best,
Gil


Thanks Gil!

It's so nice to hear that I am not the only evil mother in the world! We too have friends that moved out a year ago with a reluctant 16 year old and he is now talking of NZ uni instead of UK. However, I don't think they realised about the student fees either so I guess his mind will be made up for him!
I think that the way the system is going over here for funding uni education it will get worse not better, and probably even more costly for International students.
You're right though, at this late stage (CO interview today at 4.30!) it is worth taking the risk and hoping she and the other 2 that follow will stay there!!!
What a gamble!

[zardell]

[QUOTE=Fizz] (CO interview today at 4.30!) QUOTE]


Hey GOOD LUCK fizz.

An update by 5pm would be good............ :D

Only joking............ ;)

Julie

xx

[gil]

And good luck from me too Fizz! :clap:clap
When you come off the CO interview, sorry if you've been through all this before, but where are you now and where are you heading?
Gil

[Bubbles]

It's so nice to hear that I am not the only evil mother in the world!

Apparently, I'm one of those evil parents too, according to my 17yr old daughter.
Funny that !!!!!!! I reckon all parents must get really evil when their children hit that age. Or is it just them reaching the terrible mid-teens. :(

John

[gil]

Oh no John, they don't all...apparently NONE of the parents of ANY of my 15 and 18 year olds are mean......only me and Steve!! Actually, "mean" isn't the word. We have been described as "harsh" by friends of Lauren (who turned 18 last week :eek:) when we wouldn't let them comandeer the living room to watch telly as we were already watching something and Lauren has a telly in her room. I mean, how harsh are we!?!

BTW, wasn't there a thread about "mean mums and dads" a while back?

Gil

[Bubbles]

we wouldn't let them comandeer the living room to watch telly as we were already watching something


Well Gil,

Go to your room without any tea, and don't come out until you have thought your actions over and said sorry. I don't know why you didn't just go down to the garden shed and sit in there until the program had finished. Or even done the rest of her washing and ironing that she failed to put in the laundry bin but absolutely needs it for tomorrow, first thing.( Oh, hold on, that last bit relates to my little sweety, bless. )
:laugh :laugh

I know what you mean though. 'They're on ANOTHER PLANET' sometimes, and they just can't understand why you're spitting feathers :wah .

[willsken]

'They're on ANOTHER PLANET' sometimes, :wah .

Only sometimes............. mine are there ALL the time!! You must be doing something right! Whats the secret? :roll

[Bubbles]

Whats the secret? :roll

Keep them locked up under the stairs. They start to appreciate the simple things in life then. :laugh :laugh

[willsken]

What a great idea, thanks...... they won't know whats hit them when I get home from work!!! :D :exit

[Fizz]

And good luck from me too Fizz! :clap:clap
When you come off the CO interview, sorry if you've been through all this before, but where are you now and where are you heading?
Gil


Hi Gil,

Interview postponed until TODAY at 4.30!!!!! So no news.
We are in Southampton, heading out to Tauranga in July/August, all being well! Have 3 kids age,16, 14 and 8 and husband is a Primary school teacher. Younger two quite excited about it all.
Incidently, I had it confirmed today about the 3 year thing before uni....no exceptions unless you are a refugee or asylum seeker!!!!!
Just going to have to go for it and hope the 16 year old falls in love and stays...I am sure it will be that simple in the end!!!!!

[willsken]

Sorry Fizz can you confirm for me, I thought it was

"you had to have been OUT of the country for less than 3 years"

but what you are saying is it actually

"you have to be IN the country for the last 3 years"???? :confused:

[gil]

Postponed!! OK, extra wishes for this afternoon, then. You'll be fine, I'm sure :yes
We have really good friends in Tauranga, went there about 6 years ago and both their boys are now at Uni in NZ. In fact, their older boy came with them on a visit to UK in Jan, stayed on in Paris working in an Irish bar supposedly till July, BUT missed NZ and his mates sooo much, he went back to Tauranga in March! Encouraging, eh!
Let us know how it goes,
Gil

[Fizz]

Sorry Fizz can you confirm for me, I thought it was

"you had to have been OUT of the country for less than 3 years"

but what you are saying is it actually

"you have to be IN the country for the last 3 years"???? :confused:


Yes, afraid so. To qualify as a 'home' student, amongst other things, you have to be living in the UK for the 3 years leading up to the time you start uni. So, our 16 year old daughter has to be living in the UK from 1st September 2005-1st September 2008, when she would be starting uni, apart from short trips abroad for holidays! Mad, isn't it?!
That means tuition fees of £3000 per year become £9000 per year!Ughhh!

[katandbob]

Yes, afraid so. To qualify as a 'home' student, amongst other things, you have to be living in the UK for the 3 years leading up to the time you start uni. So, our 16 year old daughter has to be living in the UK from 1st September 2005-1st September 2008, when she would be starting uni, apart from short trips abroad for holidays! Mad, isn't it?!
That means tuition fees of £3000 per year become £9000 per year!Ughhh!


Wonder if theyd belive it if we said we wanted asylum...........blooody typical that we get ripped off again while the A/S get all our taxes!............

(getting ready for the whiplash.........but it gets up my nose that Asylum seekers have more rights to our so called education/health and housing than us poor sods that have worked and paid taxes to fund them! :mad:)

I knew of one family that were given council house with New fitted Kitchen/bathroom...fully furnished.............and A CAR to get to interviews....what did they do...........stripped the house bare, and took off never to be seen again!................

Rant over........off to get another Lemsip.....

Kat :o

[willsken]

Yes, afraid so. To qualify as a 'home' student, amongst other things, you have to be living in the UK for the 3 years leading up to the time you start uni. So, our 16 year old daughter has to be living in the UK from 1st September 2005-1st September 2008, when she would be starting uni, apart from short trips abroad for holidays! Mad, isn't it?!
That means tuition fees of £3000 per year become £9000 per year!Ughhh!


Oh, why am I sat here so FULL of surprise. Paid into this c**p country all my life. Born and bred here, so why should I expect anything back. It REALLY gets on my nerves. And I mean REALLY!!!!! :mad: