[KD17]

I've read through a few threads re this but my blonde roots must be coming back as I can't seem to find the answer I'm looking for.

Basically, with PR, is there a minimum amount of time you have to stay before you can leave the country & return with the RRV (which we have in our passports)

The reason is, my daughter is considering coming out before the year is up on the PR to activate her visa (we plan on going before her) and, considering how she feels, she may then come back to the UK to give herself the two years to decide if she wants to come & stay in NZ for good.

Does she need to stay for a minimum time (i.e. 3 months) or can she just come for a week and then leave again?

Not sure if I've made myself very clear with all that :confused:

Thanks a bunch

Debby

[Lukas]

...once you have activated your RRV you can leave NZ and come back after two years as a PR. The problem is if you don't spend at least 6 months on the first two years you will not be eligible for RRV indeffinite, with another words if after those to years you came back in NZ and settle ant after three months you have to go in UK for two months you will lose your NZ PR as you will not qualified for another RRV apart from an emergency one which is valid for about 10 days.

[urban78]

Hi KD,

To add to what Lukas typed, there are different ways to obtain an indefinite RRV. Here's what it says on the the immigration site:

"Am I eligible for an indefinite Returning Resident’s Visa?
To be eligible you must:
Have been the principal applicant in your original residence application, or be included in a Returning Resident's Visa application by the original principal applicant.
Have held a residence permit at a time which was a minimum of two years before you apply.
met any requirements previously imposed under section 18A of the Immigration Act.
And you have spent a lot of time in New Zealand already – 184 days or more in every year for the past two years

Or one of the following ways:

You have tax residence status here - you have spent 41 days or more in each of the two years in New Zealand and you are assessed by the Inland Revenue Department as being a resident tax payer for the past two years.
you have acceptable investments here either as a Business Investor or in another residence category.
You have successfully established a business here that has been trading for at least 12 months.
You have established a base here – this depends on the time you and your family have spend here, whether you own a home, whether you have a fulltime job"

Can't remeber what the link is on NZIS site though but it should give you a broad idea :)

Hope this helps,

Jen :)

[KD17]

thanks for your replies

[QUOTE]this depends on the time you and your family have spend here/QUOTE]

based on that, could it possibly mean that if my daughter came for a short stay, i.e. max 3 months, to activate her visa, then left, she could still qualify within the 2 years RRV, as our intention is to stay permanently when we arrive.

This all seems a bit difficult to get my head around, all these various categories etc., or perpahs I'm being dumb today (nothing new there :laugh )

Thanks a bunch

[H & Rick]

Intresting thread but can anyone tell me how long have you got to sort yourself out i.e sell house, car etc once you have been granted PR.. :uhoh

[Going2NZ]

This seems close to an answer I'm looking for and maybe it'll help someone else. I have PR as the primary applicant with a pretty blue stamp in my passport that says "Residence VISA". My hubby came to NZ for two weeks to get his mum settled and see if I was right about the place. His stamp says "Residence PERMIT". So if I understand correctly, as long as he gets back in the next 2 years (he be back by July at the outside) there isn't a problem. Is that right?

Also, since he's already been here, does he need a Return Residents Visa to come back? I have spent hours digging through the NZIS site and can only find info that is convoluted and less than helpful. Harumph, I don't even have the blonde excuse to fall back on. ;-)

Thanks for any enlightenment!

[StevieD]

Intresting thread but can anyone tell me how long have you got to sort yourself out i.e sell house, car etc once you have been granted PR.. :uhoh
You have 6 month max to pay your migrant levy, once paid then you have a further 12 months. So if you pay your levy straight away you will have 12 months. But if you wait till the latest to pay then it is 18 months.

[urban78]

Also, since he's already been here, does he need a Return Residents Visa to come back? I have spent hours digging through the NZIS site and can only find info that is convoluted and less than helpful. Harumph, I don't even have the blonde excuse to fall back on. ;-)

Thanks for any enlightenment!

Yes he will need a valid Returning Residents Visa to get back to NZ. Airlines will not let passengers board a plane to NZ without that. I spent hours as well looking for that on NZIS site without finding it, I was told by my Case Officer ;)

[backtonz]

Also, since he's already been here, does he need a Return Residents Visa to come back? I have spent hours digging through the NZIS site and can only find info that is convoluted and less than helpful. Harumph, I don't even have the blonde excuse to fall back on. ;-)

Thanks for any enlightenment!

I am currently abroad (with an IRRV) after spending 2 years in NZ. So let me try and help. Your husband's RRV (valid for 2 years) would have been activated the day the first "resident permit" was issued. The "resident permit" would expire the day he leaves - but the RRV would be vaild enabling a new "resident permit" to be issued when he gets back. The RRV sticker should be already on the passport.

[backtonz]

I've read through a few threads re this but my blonde roots must be coming back as I can't seem to find the answer I'm looking for.

Basically, with PR, is there a minimum amount of time you have to stay before you can leave the country & return with the RRV (which we have in our passports)

The reason is, my daughter is considering coming out before the year is up on the PR to activate her visa (we plan on going before her) and, considering how she feels, she may then come back to the UK to give herself the two years to decide if she wants to come & stay in NZ for good.

Does she need to stay for a minimum time (i.e. 3 months) or can she just come for a week and then leave again?

Not sure if I've made myself very clear with all that :confused:

Thanks a bunch

Debby

Debby, unless thing have changed - she can pretty much leave the next day. The RRV should be activated on landing and be valid for 2 years..
Cheers

[Avalon]

I know ive answered a similar query before - but in case that didnt cover this - my advise when dealing with situations like this is to get it in writing from your case officer.

Although an RRV entitles you to come back in to NZ after you have left - you do run the risk on NZIS revoking a PR visa or not giving an IRRV once the RRV runs out. It is all a bit murky to understand, and ive found time and time again that emailing the question to your case officer clears things up easily - and with the added benefit of having a written prove you can produce if you need it in the future.

[Lukas]

NZIS...Revoking a PR visa...never heard about it...unless you run out of RRV

[Avalon]

NZIS...Revoking a PR visa...never heard about it...unless you run out of RRV
I have heard of it

[Lukas]

...please give us some more details about the case...

[Lukas]

...many people I have met once they have the IRRV...just go back in their countries Hong Kong, Malaysia, South Africa etc...planning to return in NZ just in case...or as pensioners

[Lukas]

Where are you Avalon?...drop the bomb then evaporate? leaving the community in desperation

[Simon & Emily]

Hi Lukas, Avalon may well be off line for whatever reason, but I can give a bit more info on a PR being revoked.

The powers that be have the authority at any time until citizenship is granted (once this is granted I don't think they can do it, but I may be wrong) to throw you out of their country. This would only be for serious crime, such as rape, murder, drug trafficking and so on, not just a few speeding tickets. I don't know if they have ever done it, but it's certainly a good idea. If you keep your nose clean and be a nice, normal person it shouldn’t worry migrants at all. Nothing to different to the problems here in the UK at the moment where many, many murders, rapists and paedophiles have not been deported after serving time in prison and have so gone onto commit further crime.

Emily

[Lukas]

We were not talikng about criminals here, but about onest people who for various reasons after PR, had to leave NZ before getting their IRRV or Citizenship. NZ job market is small with few opportunities and quite small salaries for a first world country standards...Many immigants includig British soon after immigration will find that in order to have ever a decent house of their own would have to come back in UK and work hard few years..then come back in NZ to enjoy.

[Simon & Emily]

You asked about revoking a PR visa. That is the answer.

If people wish to leave NZ for financial reasons before being eligible for citizenship then that is their choice. But why should they then see fit to have a right to move back when they retire?. That is exactly what the NZ government are trying hard to avoid. The job market may perceived to be small, with lower salaries than other places like Europe or America, but that is a well known factor when you make a decision to move there in the first place. There is a very long list of jobs that they are crying out for, and you can be fast-tracked into NZ if you fit this catagory. If you can't afford to move there, then you cannot afford it. Many people would like to buy a tropical beach island, or a country estate and mansion, but they know they cannot afford it and therefore it is not a viable and realistic option.

You quote that many people want the right to live there, but then choose to disregard this gift and live in another country, for whatever reason, keeping the NZ 'option' for a 'just in case' situation. Again, that's fine if they wish to do this, but they should have to play by the same rules as everyone else and put in the appropriate time in the country itself before thinking they have the right to call it home.


Emily


Emily

[Lukas]

...perhaps you need to understand that NZ Permanent Residents have in this country not only obligations but rights as well. I know many skilled people who have been sistematicaly refused after years any job apart from manual labor ones. Citizenship is so easy to take, but many canot because they would have to drop their native one. In my case I know one think...I never have had any kind of social assistance in NZ and I have a blue stamp in my passport called Returning Resident Visa Indeffinite...This is a legal think above the discretion of an immigration officer, undess of course yo are a criminal, and on this case citizensip can be revoked either unless was obtained by birth.
I was cutious about the case quoted by Avalon.

[Lukas]

...And by the way...the reason I did't ask for citizenship so far rely on the fact that I wanted to be onest...many if not most after getting their NZ blue passport just swich in a matter of months for Australia...it is in fact the motivation behind their entire NZ immigration process.

[Simon & Emily]

Lukas, I'm not trying to offend, just pointing out the facts.

I know many skilled people who have been sistematicaly refused after years any job apart from manual labor ones.
This is the case in many, many countries. Just being granted PR in NZ does not grant you an automatic right to get a job.

Citizenship is so easy to take, but many canot because they would have to drop their native one. .
I'm luck in that being English, I will be able to have dual nationality should I wish to keep my English passport. It's not that people can't get citizenship, it's that they personally decide not to for whatever reason. Again, that is part of the decision each and everybody makes when the decide to leave their native country, or apply for residency / citizenship of a new country. People have to make the choice of which country they actually want to call home, and if they want to stay there long term.

In my case I know one think...I never have had any kind of social assistance in NZ and I have a blue stamp in my passport called Returning Resident Visa Indeffinite....
I can't quite see what social assistance has got to do with PR being revoked, and as you have an ongoing visa you should have no problems in staying long term. I don't believe Avalon actually quoted a case situation; she merely stated the fact that PR can be revoked for misconduct.

And by the way...the reason I did't ask for citizenship so far rely on the fact that I wanted to be onest...many if not most after getting their NZ blue passport just swich in a matter of months for Australia...it is in fact the motivation behind their entire NZ immigration process.

I for one don't actually think this is very honest - if you want to go to Australia, then going via NZ is not the honest thing to do. I think you'll find that the majority of people applying to NZ residency do actually want to live there, not jump ship to another country once they have the short cut sorted ..... If this loophole were closed, then perhaps the NZIS staff would not be under such a heavy workload and could give those people who do want to live in their country a better/quicker service.


Emily

[Lukas]

...It was not about miscounduct but about lenght of stay in NZ...This is the point for the entire Thread.
I kindly ask again Avalon to give us some more details about IRRV and PR been revoked in relation with the lenght of stay in NZ.

[Avalon]

I kindly ask again Avalon to give us some more details about IRRV and PR been revoked in relation with the lenght of stay in NZ.

:rolleyes:

Oh for cryin out loud!

Lukas.

I hate to tell you but ive been a bit too busy having a life. I have had neither the time nor the inclination to follow this up.

I have answered the OP to the best of my limited ability. Obviously the fact that you do not personally know of anyone who has had a visa revoked means it has never happened and never will. Obviously you know everything there is to know about the pretty frequently changing immigration rules. What on earth is the point of me wasting my time getting into it with you. I live in New Zealand for heavens sake - theres better things to do with my days and nights.

As Emily said (thank you) I didnt quote a case. Its hearsay - and newspaper reports of a few well known cases of immigrants being sent home for various reasons on various visas - which to be honest with you is about as concrete as the fact that you havent heard it. As i dont know the facts (any more than you seem to) again - I suggest getting it in writing direct from NZIS.

Personally if it was me, I wouldnt actually trust my families future on the hearsay regarding PR visas, RRV or IRRV, and therefore I will always recommend getting queries like this answered directly from NZIS.

Now, if its OK ;) , im going to go offline again and watch telly with my husband.

[Moorf]

Lots of RRV info here:- http://www.tarrant.co.nz/residenc/returnin.htm


(Welcome back Av...:D )

[Lukas]

Now, if its OK ;) , im going to go offline again and watch telly with my husband.


You sems to have adapted great to the NZ life style...good on you bro.

And yes..oh yes

"Second Subsequent Returning Residents Visa

Indefinite


An indefinite RRV ("IRRV") lasts forever i.e. you can leave New Zealand for 20 years and still be able to return to New Zealand as a resident. It is almost the same as having New Zealand citizenship."

Thanks Morf for the good site.

[Avalon]

...good on you bro.
.

With respect - please dont call me Bro ?

Im a few cup sizes too big

[Lukas]

:-)