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Avalon
14th July 2006, 04:46 PM
Well, blow me over with a feather – we have made 18 months as expats!

That makes it time for a(nother) mega post.

Firstly – I am so glad we did this. I never wanted to emigrate – it’s not on my “101 things to do before...” list. This is so out of left field for me – a homebody through and through that it’s not funny. And yet now I’ve done it and I’m here – I cant really see myself doing anything else. I guess that means I’m settled then? Its odd, but I can’t remember when I became “at home” here; it’s just that I can’t remember NOT feeling at home for a long time. Even my trip back “home” (the other one) hasn’t changed the fact that “home” is now here. Blimey this sounds screwy even to me! Maybe everyone should grab a glass of something then this will make sense.

I’m not even sure I would do anything differently. Well, apart from going on that “other” forum after we arrived. (Need an emoticon that shudders in horror to go in here.) Oh, and I wouldn’t have sold so much stuff before we came. Could really do with my ratchet tree lopper about now. And now I think about it – wouldn’t have so smugly told everyone before we came that I was going be rich cos we would be paying less taxes, and the cost of living was the square root of diddly squat. Or that we would be buying a second home within 6 months. And I’d have brought more food out with us. Other than that – wouldn’t change a thing!

Things on hindsight that I feel were really good things to have done: Not rushing to buy a house. I can hear the screams of protest already ;) . Its just that were we ended up was so far removed from what we wanted (swanky house at Days Bay – glorious views over the bay – beach at the door – plumbed in coffee machine – you get the picture) and yet it is actually the right house and the right place – even without the coffee machine – who needs one anyway – that what cafes are for. I can never work out whether those that buy within days of landing are a/ mad, or b/ 100 times braver than me. Well, the long haul worked for us, it gave us time to really look at different areas and get solid info on them before we moved.

Also, I feel that we made a huge leap forward in not believing we knew everything about the place. It was amazing how arrogant our pre-conceptions were really. I’m sure on our 2nd recon trip the locals we spoke to must of thought we were a/ barmy or b/ blind to be so smugly saying that everything world be sweetness and light here, After all – it couldn’t possible be as bad as in the UK. The arrogance soon dissipated when we moved here and reality struck. You have no idea how sincerely grateful I am to a couple of friends we made from OH’s work who told us how it was and how to deal with things. Not the least of which was to buy Best Foods Mayo :nice1 .

But overall – the one thing that kept me going when it got really tough is that back in the UK, before we left, I had fixed firmly in my mind that I must have missed something. Everything about NZ looked perfect. 2 trips and our enthusiasm still wasn’t dented. We couldn’t see a thing wrong with the place. And yet a part of me figured that there was something we were bound to have gotten wrong. Even through all the arrogant stuff about “its got to better than this”. So when we came over – we made ourselves be prepared for a shock. We had no idea what it was going to be, but we knew there was going to something we juts had not got right. For us it was the cost of living. Suddenly I was having kittens about how we were going to manage. I sorted it out after a while, but I did find it helped to have had just a little wiggle room in my preconceptions. Of course now it’s expanded to a lot of wiggle room :) .

I think in the last 18 months, we have learned so much about who we are. Not all of it good to know – but ho hum. I doubt many people will make the move and not be altered or affected by it someway. I have found it very hard to adjust to life here. Its just so different from “home”, I found it really “alien” for a long time. I know I’m not the only one to have gone through that. And I had a tough time because there were quite a few things I found I really, truly disliked about NZ. And it’s not always easy to reconcile that with also really loving the place. So I’m left with the belief that in fact you do not have to love NZ 100% to be happy or successful here. It ok to dislike estate agents, education, sausages, TV, the banks or whatever. You can still be a happy bunny (or migrant) without accepting everything about the place is tip top.

To people who are still to make the move, I would say:

Be open to everything that you are offered here. You don’t have to accept it all, but you never know where it might lead. Sometimes stepping outside your box (even more than you did to sell up and get on the plane) can get you things you never knew were there. Especially – meet people. Brits or Kiwis or otherwise, you don’t have to ignore other expats. A stranger is only a friend you haven’t met yet – but they will always stay a stranger if you never say hello. And the more new friends you make – the easier it will be to settle.

And there is no “One True path” to successful immigration. We are all different, that doesn’t make us wrong. If you find it tricky – it does not make you a “Bad Migrant” or someone who should have stayed at home.

Good luck to everyone. :cheers

Marie P
14th July 2006, 06:33 PM
Brilliant post as always Avalon :nice1

Thanks for sharing.

Marie x

Diny
14th July 2006, 06:50 PM
I think in the last 18 months, we have learned so much about who we are. I have found it very hard to adjust to life here. Its just so different from “home”, I found it really “alien” for a long time. I know I’m not the only one to have gone through that. And I had a tough time because there were quite a few things I found I really, truly disliked about NZ. And it’s not always easy to reconcile that with also really loving the place. So I’m left with the belief that in fact you do not have to love NZ 100% to be happy or successful here. It ok to dislike estate agents, education, sausages, TV, the banks or whatever. You can still be a happy bunny (or migrant) without accepting everything about the place is tip top.




And there is no “One True path” to successful immigration. We are all different, that doesn’t make us wrong. If you find it tricky – it does not make you a “Bad Migrant” or someone who should have stayed at home.

Good luck to everyone. :cheers

Well said. Personally I think has been one of the best (if not THE best) post I have ever read on this forum. Well Done you and here's to the next 18 months.

Diny

zardell
14th July 2006, 07:05 PM
:nice1

Excellent post Avalon.........

Thank you for taking the time to write it - I savoured every word.

Julie

xx

Gran
14th July 2006, 07:06 PM
Good for you Avalon. the bit about not buying staight away is good info, your tastes change when you have been around a new country for a while, we went to Perth first, arrived in the winter and bought this lovely red and black carpet, (dont ask) it was fashionable at the time, of course summer came and there we were 40 degrees and the red carpet was like walking on fire!!!! Another thing about Aussie, as we went there first, when we arrived in NZ it was really like we came home. More well known brands etc, and green grass, just like home. We settled much better that way.

Helsandfamily
14th July 2006, 07:09 PM
A truely balenced post Avalon, Thanks


Hels

Lupin
14th July 2006, 07:58 PM
Good post Avalon :)

Singel
14th July 2006, 08:09 PM
Avalon, great post :nice1

Thanks for sharing :cheers

smitjo
14th July 2006, 08:18 PM
WOW - what a truly fantastic, honest post :nice1 Thank- you very much :D

BRILLIANT!

Debbie
14th July 2006, 08:23 PM
Thanks Avalon
.
I think the hardest bit for me has been to find (as you so rightly put it) that there is 'no one true way'. I think that's why I have had so much panic about this move. It's not worry over whether this is the right thing to do, but whether we are going about it in the right way. Im normally such a structured person, (control freak), that the process of getting to NZ has been a personal struggle. Living there remains to be seen.
Like you said, I have prepared myself for that fact that there are going to be major problems, I just have no idea what they are going to be yet!

Debbie
p.s what extra food should I bring in with me and is Best food mayo like hellmans or should I learn to live with out my fav mayo.

StevieD
14th July 2006, 08:52 PM
In a nutshell Avalon - spot on, from the heart. Well Done :nice1

Steve

katandbob
14th July 2006, 09:38 PM
Yes Avalon, I enjoyed reading your post....and I have to agree with the "thinking out the box" bit, after all, we certainly didnt think when we were in the UK that we wouldnt settle in Christchurch, but here we are, happy in Invercargill.

So I say Have a great weekend and I look forward to your next instalment!

Kat

backtonz
15th July 2006, 12:26 AM
So I’m left with the belief that in fact you do not have to love NZ 100% to be happy or successful here.

Lovely post and useful philosophy. :cheers

but here we are, happy in Invercargill.

Kat

Wow.. How cold is it out there? Do you need "polar bear" suits ? :laugh

SoCal Gal
15th July 2006, 05:57 AM
That was such a heartfelt post, Avalon, I really enjoyed it and will take to heart all you say. I know that Days Bay house, that's the one I wanted! ;-)
Really, a great post, and I have learned so much from your writings, even about the Choc Fish, which I made friends take me to right away.
P.S. We might do OK after all my panics, I saw your recommendation for Best Foods mayo and that's the ONLY kind to buy in the States! Love it! But pricey! Wonder if I can bring some over???

clg
15th July 2006, 07:31 AM
Great post Avalon! It is interesting how as you settle NZ feels like home and 'home' begins to seem foreign. We will not visit 'home' for another year from now (2 years after arrival) and already it seems like a very foreign place and I can't really imagine going back there, I am not even all that excited about visiting. NZ is home now and I really like it here. There are always some things that annoy but that is the way life is!

I think it is very easy after you arrive to blame anything bad that happens on NZ or the move thus bad day at work becomes 'it was a mistake to move here' weather is crap 'should have stayed home' and so on. I have gotten much better at understanding myself as a result of this move, it really does make you think about things more. Bad days at work happen wherever you are.

On the buying a house days after arrival, that would be us and I would have to put us more in the mad category and blame it on jet lag! It worked out well for us, we really like our house but I had some serious second thoughts after we went unconditional. There were things about the house we did not know that ended up being really good, insulation and protection from northerlies, but I have to say we just got lucky there since I was not looking for those things as much as I should have. It worked for us but it could have been ugly if we had chosen wrong.

We have been here almost one year now and I love it. I don't miss LA at all and I can't see ever going back there. I do have to say that doing a move like this though makes you think about other possiblities so while I love Wellington I also would really like to live in Fiji for a while....

Chris

sizzlingbadger
15th July 2006, 07:54 AM
Great post

Glad to hear you're feeling more at home. It does take a lot of time for some and for others they feel right at home straight away, very difficult for anyone moving out here to know which way they'll go. I had my first real wobble since being here a couple of weeks ago, it was a huge surprise as I've been really settled since the beginning. It was just a huge combination of things that had happened that week, I was lucky a friend of mine soon pulled me out of it :D

I think a lot of people buy quickly so they can settle quickly. We spent 3 months in rental before buying but having rented for 5 months in the UK it was important for us to 'settle down' in our own house rather than someone elses.


Here's to the next 18 months and citizenship :cheers

Smiler
15th July 2006, 03:39 PM
Nice one Avalon. :nice1

Interesting to hear that the UK doesn't feel like home any more for you. I think I'm at that stage but without the benefit of a trip back. We've no desire to go back for a long while, not even planning to, unless it's a business trip. I still get wobbles (as you well know) but they are for people not places.

I can't remember your friends name, (the one near us now hmm, Frances?) but I remember she said to me at your place, never refuse an invite and I really took that onboard. It's hard to do stuff like that when you have already pushed yourself to get this far, but she was right. We have met so many people because of what she said.

Anyway 18 months in - good on you two. :nice1 Here's to the next 18 months. I hope there'll be a party? :D

Thank you for all your wonderful help and advice from the beginning, particularly on the shopping. Without that, us two would still be eating veggie stir fries in chilli sauce every day.:laugh

Avalon
15th July 2006, 10:22 PM
Thanks Avalon
.
I think the hardest bit for me has been to find (as you so rightly put it) that there is 'no one true way'. I think that's why I have had so much panic about this move. It's not worry over whether this is the right thing to do, but whether we are going about it in the right way. Im normally such a structured person, (control freak), that the process of getting to NZ has been a personal struggle. Living there remains to be seen.
Like you said, I have prepared myself for that fact that there are going to be major problems, I just have no idea what they are going to be yet!

Debbie
p.s what extra food should I bring in with me and is Best food mayo like hellmans or should I learn to live with out my fav mayo.

Debbie,

First - Best Foods Mayo IS Hellmans - the way to double check you get the right one is that its made by Unilever Best Foods. There is one here called Real Foods Best Mayo - dont get that one! Bring dried food: Oxo cubes, herbs and spices (they seem to come through) and TEA.

And about the control freak thing - if it helps - Hubby has a tendency to that as well. I can report that he is a lot more flexible these days. I was only saying to Smiler the other day that she would be shocked if she saw what he was like 5 years ago - hes just not the same person. And the going out and meeting people - hes the most intensly private person I have ever met - and yet hes the one who accepted the first invites (I was way too upset and miserable).

I have felt for a long time that those of us who really have to work to make it as expats and overcome our personal foibles to do so, in the end get a lot more out of this move than we ever imagined. On saying that - Id like to have an easier time of it :)

Avalon
15th July 2006, 10:37 PM
P.S. We might do OK after all my panics, I saw your recommendation for Best Foods mayo and that's the ONLY kind to buy in the States! Love it! But pricey! Wonder if I can bring some over???
You can bring it in (we did from the UK), but the cheapest place to get it is Moore Wilsons, They have it in big (as in huge) catering tubs. About twice the size of the biggest jar, and a lot less than twice the price.

I think a lot of people buy quickly so they can settle quickly. We spent 3 months in rental before buying but having rented for 5 months in the UK it was important for us to 'settle down' in our own house rather than someone elses.

That was definately one of my big struggles. 9 months in rental was doing mu head in. I so dearly wanted to buy and get into my own space, and can ceratinly understand why people do buy straight away. Wow - that means Ive been in this house 9 months! Yay!

I can't remember your friends name, (the one near us now hmm, Frances?) but I remember she said to me at your place, never refuse an invite and I really took that onboard. It's hard to do stuff like that when you have already pushed yourself to get this far, but she was right. We have met so many people because of what she said.

Yep -Fran. Fount of all wisdom useful for Expats in trouble! Im not sure what we did to deserve friends like that. A lot of the stuff I have found out comes from them. They are immensly generous people, without whom I would not be eating Mayonaisse anymore, or in fact have ever really looked at the Wairararapa as a place to live. Truly odd the way life works out.

Anyway 18 months in - good on you two. Here's to the next 18 months. I hope there'll be a party?

Strangley enough.... Actyully - we were going to have one a few weeks back to celebrate, but with life being a bit "strange" over here at the moment - we thought we woudl skip it. May have a 2 year one - it can be a pool party then, and defiantely a 3 year one. Besides - mum would kill me if I had a party and they werent here :laugh

NannyOgg
16th July 2006, 09:23 AM
Pssst.. Avalon...

I have never ben on any other forum but this one and I love - but would love to know what was up with the one on the dark side you mentiond :laugh

Bunch of whinging poms? Or much worse?

Intrigued

Nanny x

Avalon
16th July 2006, 10:34 AM
Pssst.. Avalon...

I have never ben on any other forum but this one and I love - but would love to know what was up with the one on the dark side you mentiond :laugh

Bunch of whinging poms? Or much worse?

Intrigued

Nanny x

Nah - not whinging - bullying. Nasty, nasty people, and whats worse - the "pack leaders" were made Moderators :mad: In fact - thast a good analogy - it was like a pack mentality. And I dont work very well in that environment - I argue too much :D

There may occasionaly be a "forthright dissagreement of opinions" on here - but nothing like what ive seen on other boards. :D

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