bpk
25th September 2006, 12:47 AM
After approving PR, can one get a NZ travel document? is the PR issued on the passport or seperately? and is there such a NZ travel document?
willsken
25th September 2006, 01:25 AM
Don't know if there is such a thing as a NZ travel doc but the PR is in your passport. (Blue stickers) :)
bpk
25th September 2006, 06:42 AM
Don't know if there is such a thing as a NZ travel doc but the PR is in your passport. (Blue stickers) :)
Thank you Nicola. But in all countries there is a Travel document. For example, when I got a new born baby in Germany and want to travel we got a Travel document cause the new baby has no passport. How can I get info in this regard?
Thank you Nicola. But in all countries there is a Travel document. For example, when I got a new born baby in Germany and want to travel we got a Travel document cause the new baby has no passport. How can I get info in this regard?
Park City Partner
25th September 2006, 06:50 AM
I have a newborn (well now almost 4 months) and will be traveling back to the States with her in a month. I got her passports to travel on as I thought that was the requirement. Both her NZ and US passport were very fast..about 7-10 days.
bpk
25th September 2006, 07:06 AM
I have a newborn (well now almost 4 months) and will be traveling back to the States with her in a month. I got her passports to travel on as I thought that was the requirement. Both her NZ and US passport were very fast..about 7-10 days.
But we do not have NZ citizinship yet to obtain a passport. The Travel document is not a passport.
So in this case can I get a travel document?
But we do not have NZ citizinship yet to obtain a passport. The Travel document is not a passport.
So in this case can I get a travel document?
Trigirl
25th September 2006, 07:10 AM
perhaps do you mean a returning residents visa? this goes in your passport and allows you to re-enter NZ.
KerryS
25th September 2006, 07:36 AM
But we do not have NZ citizinship yet to obtain a passport. The Travel document is not a passport.
So in this case can I get a travel document?
If your baby was born in NZ she will be entitled to a NZ passport if you have PR despite the fact you don't yet have citizenship.
If you are German you cannot hold dual nationality - so you would need to make a decision on whether you want her to have a NZ passport or a German one.
As Parkcitypanther said, it only takes a matter of days for a passport to be issued.
I am unsure what other kind of travel document you could mean - everyone who travels in or out of NZ requires a passport.
So in this case can I get a travel document?
If your baby was born in NZ she will be entitled to a NZ passport if you have PR despite the fact you don't yet have citizenship.
If you are German you cannot hold dual nationality - so you would need to make a decision on whether you want her to have a NZ passport or a German one.
As Parkcitypanther said, it only takes a matter of days for a passport to be issued.
I am unsure what other kind of travel document you could mean - everyone who travels in or out of NZ requires a passport.
bpk
25th September 2006, 10:05 PM
perhaps do you mean a returning residents visa? this goes in your passport and allows you to re-enter NZ.
No it is not a return visa. (by the way, does one need such a visa when he/she travel out NZ, even when have a PR??)
The travel document is not a citizen but it is a document issue by the state to enable somebody who has no passport to travel. It is common in many countries but I do not know if there is such a thing in NZ.
No it is not a return visa. (by the way, does one need such a visa when he/she travel out NZ, even when have a PR??)
The travel document is not a citizen but it is a document issue by the state to enable somebody who has no passport to travel. It is common in many countries but I do not know if there is such a thing in NZ.
jubjub
25th September 2006, 10:16 PM
Sounds like you are looking for something that does not exist here, its passport (with whatever visa you need) or you dont get to travel to another country, or gain access to NZ
Trigirl
25th September 2006, 10:30 PM
No it is not a return visa. (by the way, does one need such a visa when he/she travel out NZ, even when have a PR??)
Yes you do. Unless/until you have an NZ passport you need a returning residents visa even if you have PR.
i think jubjub is right - there isn't such a thing. but perhaps you can explain why you think you would need a travel document and then we might be able to help with what it is you might get instead?
Yes you do. Unless/until you have an NZ passport you need a returning residents visa even if you have PR.
i think jubjub is right - there isn't such a thing. but perhaps you can explain why you think you would need a travel document and then we might be able to help with what it is you might get instead?
bpk
25th September 2006, 10:41 PM
Yes you do. Unless/until you have an NZ passport you need a returning residents visa even if you have PR.
i think jubjub is right - there isn't such a thing. but perhaps you can explain why you think you would need a travel document and then we might be able to help with what it is you might get instead?
As I explained above, for new born baby I need a travel document (we do not have citizen yet).
i think jubjub is right - there isn't such a thing. but perhaps you can explain why you think you would need a travel document and then we might be able to help with what it is you might get instead?
As I explained above, for new born baby I need a travel document (we do not have citizen yet).
Trigirl
25th September 2006, 10:56 PM
sorry - i didn't understand what you had said.
i would have thought your baby will need a passport. as kerry says if the baby was born in NZ then because you have PR the baby is entitled to NZ citizenship and so you can get an NZ passport for him/her - even though you don't have citizenship yet.
i would have thought your baby will need a passport. as kerry says if the baby was born in NZ then because you have PR the baby is entitled to NZ citizenship and so you can get an NZ passport for him/her - even though you don't have citizenship yet.
bpk
26th September 2006, 12:14 AM
sorry - i didn't understand what you had said.
i would have thought your baby will need a passport. as kerry says if the baby was born in NZ then because you have PR the baby is entitled to NZ citizenship and so you can get an NZ passport for him/her - even though you don't have citizenship yet.
I thought this law was changed at the begin of this year! now the new born baby can not get directly the NZ citizen. By the way, how long does it take to get a NZ citizen after the PR?? I think it is now 5 years? (it was three years till last year)
i would have thought your baby will need a passport. as kerry says if the baby was born in NZ then because you have PR the baby is entitled to NZ citizenship and so you can get an NZ passport for him/her - even though you don't have citizenship yet.
I thought this law was changed at the begin of this year! now the new born baby can not get directly the NZ citizen. By the way, how long does it take to get a NZ citizen after the PR?? I think it is now 5 years? (it was three years till last year)
olivia
26th September 2006, 12:21 AM
it is definitely 5 years now. They changed it in April 2005 from 3 to 5 years. If you have PR then your baby is entitled to a NZ passport. This is taken from the NZIS site:
Citizenship by birth in New Zealand from 2006
Wednesday, December 21, 2005
From 1 January 2006, children born in New Zealand (or in the Cook Islands, Niue or Tokelau) will acquire New Zealand citizenship at birth only if at least one of their parents is a New Zealand citizen, or has permanent residency (i.e. is entitled to be in New Zealand or Australia indefinitely), or is entitled to reside indefinitely in the Cook Islands, Tokelau or Niue.
A person who is born in New Zealand on or after 1 January 2006 and is determined by the Department of Internal Affairs not to hold New Zealand citizenship, will be deemed from the time of birth to initially have the same immigration status as the most favourable immigration status of either of their parents at that time.
Does this help?
Olivia
Citizenship by birth in New Zealand from 2006
Wednesday, December 21, 2005
From 1 January 2006, children born in New Zealand (or in the Cook Islands, Niue or Tokelau) will acquire New Zealand citizenship at birth only if at least one of their parents is a New Zealand citizen, or has permanent residency (i.e. is entitled to be in New Zealand or Australia indefinitely), or is entitled to reside indefinitely in the Cook Islands, Tokelau or Niue.
A person who is born in New Zealand on or after 1 January 2006 and is determined by the Department of Internal Affairs not to hold New Zealand citizenship, will be deemed from the time of birth to initially have the same immigration status as the most favourable immigration status of either of their parents at that time.
Does this help?
Olivia
bpk
26th September 2006, 12:35 AM
it is definitely 5 years now. They changed it in April 2005 from 3 to 5 years. If you have PR then your baby is entitled to a NZ passport. This is taken from the NZIS site:
Citizenship by birth in New Zealand from 2006
Wednesday, December 21, 2005
From 1 January 2006, children born in New Zealand (or in the Cook Islands, Niue or Tokelau) will acquire New Zealand citizenship at birth only if at least one of their parents is a New Zealand citizen, or has permanent residency (i.e. is entitled to be in New Zealand or Australia indefinitely), or is entitled to reside indefinitely in the Cook Islands, Tokelau or Niue.
A person who is born in New Zealand on or after 1 January 2006 and is determined by the Department of Internal Affairs not to hold New Zealand citizenship, will be deemed from the time of birth to initially have the same immigration status as the most favourable immigration status of either of their parents at that time.
Does this help?
Olivia
Thak you Olivia
What the case will be if the parents have WTR and NOT PR??
Citizenship by birth in New Zealand from 2006
Wednesday, December 21, 2005
From 1 January 2006, children born in New Zealand (or in the Cook Islands, Niue or Tokelau) will acquire New Zealand citizenship at birth only if at least one of their parents is a New Zealand citizen, or has permanent residency (i.e. is entitled to be in New Zealand or Australia indefinitely), or is entitled to reside indefinitely in the Cook Islands, Tokelau or Niue.
A person who is born in New Zealand on or after 1 January 2006 and is determined by the Department of Internal Affairs not to hold New Zealand citizenship, will be deemed from the time of birth to initially have the same immigration status as the most favourable immigration status of either of their parents at that time.
Does this help?
Olivia
Thak you Olivia
What the case will be if the parents have WTR and NOT PR??
Trigirl
26th September 2006, 12:37 AM
i agree with olivia - if your baby was born in NZ and you had PR when he/she was born then he/she is entitled to NZ citizenship. you have to wait 5 years for yours though!
Trigirl
26th September 2006, 12:39 AM
WTR doesn't count - the parents have to be entitled to be in NZ indefinitely (basically have PR or citizenship)
olivia
26th September 2006, 12:47 AM
have a look at the following. You may need to paste it into your browser.
http://www.immigration.govt.nz/migrant/general/generalinformation/qanda/CitizenshipbyBirthQandAs.htm
As far as i understand it your baby will have the same immigration status as you, so if you have wtr then so will your baby. This means that if you want to travel your baby will have to get a passport from your country of origin instead.
Hope this makes sense,
Olivia
http://www.immigration.govt.nz/migrant/general/generalinformation/qanda/CitizenshipbyBirthQandAs.htm
As far as i understand it your baby will have the same immigration status as you, so if you have wtr then so will your baby. This means that if you want to travel your baby will have to get a passport from your country of origin instead.
Hope this makes sense,
Olivia
Park City Partner
26th September 2006, 07:31 AM
Regardless of the visa/citizen status, everyone will need a passport to get in and out of any country inlcuding your baby.
bpk
26th September 2006, 08:22 AM
Regardless of the visa/citizen status, everyone will need a passport to get in and out of any country inlcuding your baby.
That is true. But when I was in germany and got a new baby (I am not a German citizen) I could get a travel document for the baby despite I am not a citizen.
Another question: when one gets PR, for how long can one leave nz without loosing it??
That is true. But when I was in germany and got a new baby (I am not a German citizen) I could get a travel document for the baby despite I am not a citizen.
Another question: when one gets PR, for how long can one leave nz without loosing it??
KerryS
26th September 2006, 09:39 AM
Another question: when one gets PR, for how long can one leave nz without loosing it??
You need to spend at least 184 days in each of the first two years of your PR to get an IIRV (Indefinite Residents Return Visa). When you have that you can leave for as long as you want and then return.
You need to spend at least 184 days in each of the first two years of your PR to get an IIRV (Indefinite Residents Return Visa). When you have that you can leave for as long as you want and then return.
bpk
26th September 2006, 10:55 PM
You need to spend at least 184 days in each of the first two years of your PR to get an IIRV (Indefinite Residents Return Visa). When you have that you can leave for as long as you want and then return.
So it is about the half of each of the first 2 years. So after that, if we leave can we claim citizinship after 5 yrears of getting PR?
So it is about the half of each of the first 2 years. So after that, if we leave can we claim citizinship after 5 yrears of getting PR?
jubjub
26th September 2006, 11:05 PM
So it is about the half of each of the first 2 years. So after that, if we leave can we claim citizinship after 5 yrears of getting PR?
To get citizenship, you have to show a commitment to the country, so if you were just here for 1/2 of each of the first two years then left, I dont think they would count that as a commitment, as far as I can tell, they expect you to be living here on a permanent basis when you apply for Citizen
To get citizenship, you have to show a commitment to the country, so if you were just here for 1/2 of each of the first two years then left, I dont think they would count that as a commitment, as far as I can tell, they expect you to be living here on a permanent basis when you apply for Citizen
bpk
26th September 2006, 11:22 PM
To get citizenship, you have to show a commitment to the country, so if you were just here for 1/2 of each of the first two years then left, I dont think they would count that as a commitment, as far as I can tell, they expect you to be living here on a permanent basis when you apply for Citizen
hmmmmmmmmm
If we come back just before the end of those 5 years, getting a job and applied for citizen, does it work?
hmmmmmmmmm
If we come back just before the end of those 5 years, getting a job and applied for citizen, does it work?
jubjub
26th September 2006, 11:26 PM
http://www.dia.govt.nz/diawebsite.nsf/wpg_URL/Services-Citizenship-Citizenship-by-Grant-Frequently-Asked-Questions?OpenDocument#two
If you look here, you actually have to be living here for the 3/5 years whichever is appropriate, so your come back just before 5 year idea would not work.
If you look here, you actually have to be living here for the 3/5 years whichever is appropriate, so your come back just before 5 year idea would not work.
bpk
26th September 2006, 11:38 PM
http://www.dia.govt.nz/diawebsite.nsf/wpg_URL/Services-Citizenship-Citizenship-by-Grant-Frequently-Asked-Questions?OpenDocument#two
If you look here, you actually have to be living here for the 3/5 years whichever is appropriate, so your come back just before 5 year idea would not work.
Thanks jubjub. To sammarize: the min. period of time one should stay to claim citizen is 3.5 year?
If you look here, you actually have to be living here for the 3/5 years whichever is appropriate, so your come back just before 5 year idea would not work.
Thanks jubjub. To sammarize: the min. period of time one should stay to claim citizen is 3.5 year?
jubjub
26th September 2006, 11:47 PM
Thanks jubjub. To sammarize: the min. period of time one should stay to claim citizen is 3.5 year?
3 or 5 years depending when you got your pr, and arrived here, they changed the rules recently, that should be on that site too....
I think it would be 5 years for you,
Have a look here, we been having a similar debate on another thread
http://www.emigratenz.org/forum/showthread.php?t=8063
3 or 5 years depending when you got your pr, and arrived here, they changed the rules recently, that should be on that site too....
I think it would be 5 years for you,
Have a look here, we been having a similar debate on another thread
http://www.emigratenz.org/forum/showthread.php?t=8063
KerryS
27th September 2006, 06:52 AM
To clarify for bpk - the 184 ruling was in relation to obtaining an IRRV, which gives you the right to re-enter NZ at any time. If you want to apply for citizenship then you would need to show a longer commitment to the country, as Sal has pointed out.
bpk
27th September 2006, 10:32 PM
To clarify for bpk - the 184 ruling was in relation to obtaining an IRRV, which gives you the right to re-enter NZ at any time. If you want to apply for citizenship then you would need to show a longer commitment to the country, as Sal has pointed out.
Thank you,
Thank you,
bpk
27th September 2006, 10:44 PM
There is a sentence saying:
Please Note: If you can show that there are exceptional circumstances that warrant a reduction, you may be considered as long as you have a minimum presence in New Zealand of 450 days with a Permanent Resident Permit in the 20 months before you make your application.
http://www.dia.govt.nz/diawebsite.nsf/wpg_URL/Services-Citizenship-General-Requirements-for-a-Grant-of-New-Zealand-Citizenship?OpenDocument#ten
So what these exceptional circumstances could be??
Please Note: If you can show that there are exceptional circumstances that warrant a reduction, you may be considered as long as you have a minimum presence in New Zealand of 450 days with a Permanent Resident Permit in the 20 months before you make your application.
http://www.dia.govt.nz/diawebsite.nsf/wpg_URL/Services-Citizenship-General-Requirements-for-a-Grant-of-New-Zealand-Citizenship?OpenDocument#ten
So what these exceptional circumstances could be??
KerryS
28th September 2006, 09:55 AM
You would have to contact DIA and ask them? I have no idea what they would consider to be exceptional.
They want to issue citizenship to people who have made NZ their home, are willing to swear that they will abide by its laws and customs and be a valuable member of society.
If you are not physically present in the country then these things aren't really possible, which is why they have the timing issues - to show the commitment you have made to NZ.
They want to issue citizenship to people who have made NZ their home, are willing to swear that they will abide by its laws and customs and be a valuable member of society.
If you are not physically present in the country then these things aren't really possible, which is why they have the timing issues - to show the commitment you have made to NZ.
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