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spudulike
25th November 2006, 07:09 AM
This article is in the NZ herald today;

Families no better off 20 years on

Saturday November 25, 2006
By Simon Collins

A massive shift of women into paid work over the past 20 years has left the average New Zealand family no better off.

A research project led by Prime Minister Helen Clark's husband, Auckland University sociologist Peter Davis, has found that the median family income, after adjusting for inflation and family size, was just over $37,000 a year in 1981 - and was still just over $37,000 in 2001.

In the same period, the proportion of working women rose from 47 per cent to 61 per cent.

The increase in women was offset by a 20 per cent drop in male fulltime employment, as men moved into self-employment and part-time work and on to benefits.

Families on middle and low incomes have ended up merely holding their own, while high-income families are better off.

The "Family Whanau and Wellbeing Project", funded by the Foundation for Research, Science and Technology, is using data from the past five Censuses to develop ongoing measures of family wellbeing.

Professor Davis told a Sociological Association conference in Hamilton this week that each Census cost $25 million, but until now the Government had not got that value of data from it.

A project statistician, Mark Wheldon, said the new measure of median family income could only be approximate because it was taken from data about Census income bands such as $15,000 to $20,000.

The measure then adjusts the Census median over time for changes in consumer prices and families' size and structure, so that it is not affected by social changes such as the trend towards more sole-parent families.

"Family" was any set of one or more adult caregivers with children.

The measure shows that the median gross income of all families dropped from $37,463 in 1981 to a low of $33,227 in 1991, before recovering slowly to $37,665 in 2001.

A sociologist in the team, Gerard Cotterell, said other measures also showed that real wages had been static or falling over the past 20 years.

Benefit levels were cut in the late 1980s and particularly in 1991 and had never recovered in real terms.

"It's kind of stunning," he said.

"Income inequality has increased in Western countries.

"What's scary in New Zealand is that it hasn't got better under Labour. There are more people in employment, but it's low-paid employment."


Although I am acutely aware of the appalling wages here this really is shocking!! :wah

Louise

veronica
26th November 2006, 03:54 AM
this is an example of what happened when Britain joined the common market. about 25 years ago NZ had one of the highest incomes in the western world and when the UK dropped the commonwealth for Europe it caused a massive drop in the exports here as UK had been NZs biggest market for agricultural products. There was a major recession following the move.

pieeater
26th November 2006, 04:50 AM
Yes grim reading eh!.must admit that there were no surprises in it's content to me though.

StevieD
26th November 2006, 05:00 AM
"What's scary in New Zealand is that it hasn't got better under Labour. There are more people in employment, but it's low-paid employment."


Seems to be a trend world wide. An awful lot of "jobs" in the uk now are low paid, with the shift from manufacturing to service type jobs which don't really add to the economic output of a country (e.g.Macdonalds/retail??)


Many would argue that it hasn't got better under Labour here either, but I think this transcends governmental politics, and is reliant on world political trends. Also, the real power in the world seems to lie with the huge corporate empires and banking system, and they seem to be able to do what they want, willy nilly, with economies the world over.

pieeater
26th November 2006, 05:56 AM
Also there is what I like to refer to as the 'Chinese Effect' i.e. cheap imports.Everything you pick up seems to be made in China.Nothing against the Chinese here you understand but how can other countries hope to compete.When I was in the U.K. I worked in a Foundry.We had a particular job running on a machine that was difficult to make profitable.We fully automated this manufacturing cell and had it running well.This was a challenge that other foundries in the U.K. failed to meet and we held this contract for two years.Then we lost it.Where to?.India.We were gutted.Someone went to India to have a look at the Foundry we lost it to.The job had gone back to a Labour intensive operation taking 5 workers to do.There was no Health and Safety evident,fume extraction,protective clothing etc.they were ladling aluminium at 600c in sandals.I can't remember what the wages of the workers were but they were a pittance.Holiday pay? what do you think?.This kind of thing is happening worldwide as profit becomes the new God.N.Z.Examples,Swanndri,the iconic N.Z.clothing brand and Sunbeam electrical appliances.I try to do my bit for N.Z.whilst I live here and buy NZ 'MADE' goods as much as possible if I have that choice.I am prepared to pay a bit more for things that are made in a country I see as having a good standard of living, that's about as much as I can do I think.Anyhow I'm hijacking the thread and rambling here so I'm off.

Diny
26th November 2006, 06:01 AM
Many would argue that it hasn't got better under Labour here either, .


Hell - I'd be the first and loudest to trumpet that sentiment !!!

Carol
26th November 2006, 06:10 AM
I think I am getting old and cynical.
I have lived through many governments. Both here and in the UK.

I know for certain which was the worst.
Probably best not to get me started on that...


But NONE of them fullfilled their promises.
And NONE of them did much for me personally.


Life's just like that eh?

StevieD
26th November 2006, 06:18 AM
LOL let's leave the party politics behind, I think as pieeater suggests is that there is a whole sweat shop economy in countries like China and India, countries with huge dispensable, poor, populations that are extremely hard to match. Who cares if hundreds or thousands die in industries making your electric toaster/golf carts etc? Certainly not the big companies, all they see is the bottom line.

And yes Carol, I too have lived through many governments and I'll just say that things are no better or worse than ever whatever the colour of your rosette. They just tend to shift things about for different demographics/voters. It is the civil service that wields the real power in a country, not the baby kissing buffoons with rosettes.

Kim39
26th November 2006, 07:03 AM
Pieeater

Don't be fooled when it says "made in New Zealand" as it probably isn't, it only needs to be assembled here to be classed as NZ made. Parts probably come from "China", I know this for a fact because of where I work.

Elaine (Kim39 OH)

Diny
26th November 2006, 07:13 AM
Stevie & Carol.

Being between the 2 of you in ages I too have lived through a fair share of governments - and in different countries too.

I totally agree that they're all as bad as each other.

(Ahh ... but memories of the one that worked well for me/my family ... such good days).

willsken
26th November 2006, 08:54 AM
(Ahh ... but memories of the one that worked well for me/my family ... such good days).

Say no more!! :laugh :laugh

Carol
26th November 2006, 01:49 PM
(Ahh ... but memories of the one that worked well for me/my family ... such good days).


Why do I have a horrible feeling we are talking about the same one - in completely different directions?
:laugh :laugh :laugh :cheers

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