Selection Point remains 185

evelynne_r · I Like It Here Joined: 25 Jan 2004 Posts: 94

How frustrating! 84 EOIs were selected, which is even less than the "preliminary" draw.

They said that

Since the last selection, NZIS has issued the first Invitations to Apply under the SMC. Early indications are that customers who have received an invitation are likely to submit an Application more quickly than we had originally anticipated. As a result we have revised our projections of the number of selections downwards, in order to avoid exceeding our target for decisions. We have decided to keep the selection point at 185, and therefore select fewer EOIs than at the last selection. However, we remain on target to make 479 decisions in this financial year.

You would have thought that they would realise people would be ready to jump as soon as they said go since they shut the old category with no notice and didn't do anything for another three months.

Oh well, next fortnight I guess...

Evelynne

richsadams · Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 3:23 am Post subject: 185 Points?

Hi Evelynne, Wink

Frustrating is right! Uhoh

185 points...again? 84 EOI's? How very sad. Sad

During the first three months of the new SMC pool period the NZIS will have taken in well over $1,000,000 for EOI's that they must have known would not qualify for a draw within 90 days.

It seems quite unfair for them to continue to take people's hard-earned money that way. Confused

They shouldn't be allowed to make their department a new profit center for the government .

Furthermore...if they don't want people to immigrate...they should just say so!

rantoff

Okay, I'm better now. But seriously, even we amateurs on the outside looking in could have predicted the results that they claim to be finding out just now. And I wonder if they are even considering the unintended consequences of their current actions?

Hopefully things will get better...hopefully sooner than later. Hang in there everyone...we're in for a long, bumpy ride! Nutcase

xanctus · Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 5:42 am Post subject: Re: 185 Points?

I actually do not trust the hope anymore...just stick with whatever happens it happens... Sad

SoCal Gal · Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 10:09 am Post subject: Selection Point Remains 185

Well, I too am incredibly disappointed...to the point where I'm considering pulling my measly 115 point application and asking my credit card company for a refund. I would just say to anyone with a low total of points to consider very, very hard before you submit. With the way things are going, it looks like you have to be in NZ to even have a chance, let alone just hope for a dream to be able to go there. We are moving in early 2005, and just figure it will all turn out fine. But I am still peeved about wasting $$$ on my submittal, sure wouldn't do it over. Sad

evelynne_r · I Like It Here Joined: 25 Jan 2004 Posts: 94

Hi SoCalGal,

I totally understand how you feel. I'm in NZ at the moment, working in a skilled occupation, outside Auckland in a job in demand, and still getting nowhere.

I do believe though that in a few months' time things will settle down and be a bit more achievable. Question is, how many people will have been so fed up in the meantime that they just won't bother? I suspect there will be long-term ramifications from all this. The NZ news is reporting that house prices are peaking now, with no steady stream of migrants to stimulate the market.

I do agree that at this point people might be best to wait with EOI submissions unless they have very high points. I'm sure by the time you come to move over in 2005 things will have steadied.

Good luck anyway.

Cheers,

Evelynne

veronica · Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 6:45 pm Post subject:

just for interest, article from the NZ Herald.......

Drop in number of migrants to New Zealand

19.03.2004
4.00pm
Almost 12,000 fewer migrants arrived in New Zealand for long-term or permanent stays in the year to February, compared to the previous year, according to Statistics New Zealand figures released today.

Overall, the country gained a net 30,100 people in the 12 months to February compared with 41,600 the year before -- a drop of 28 per cent.

Arrivals included expatriate New Zealanders returning home.

There were overall gains in the numbers arriving from China (a net gain of 8300), India (4500) and Japan (2000) and 10,400 people from the United Kingdom -- up by 51 per cent.

Fewer people left for Australia in the year to February (a net outflow of 10,600) compared to the previous year, when 11,500 left for 12 months or more.

Jamie Smith · Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2004 12:43 am Post subject:

Hi all

I think that NZIS lack of understanding about marketing is killing this thing. When you look at the nature of applications coming in, they only received about same amount in last two weeks as they actually picked, so the inflow is either dead or people are holding back. Little of both I think.

All growth since category opened was 1/3 off shore lodgment with jobs, and 2/3 off shore lodgement without jobs.

NB onshore lodgement of nay kind only replaced what they picked, and that is a bit pathetic when one considers the several thousand working here already and seeking residence.

This dry up will cause the pool pick mark to plunge in short time, whether or not it's fast enough for the low scorers to get in, who knows, but if current inflow remains, the ones on 120 will get picked before being lapsed.

If the mark stays crashed , pass mark will be 100 before too long and then everyone will get in except ones from non-comparable countries, job offer or not.

Then the sudden influx will send the mark skyrocketing and a bunch of people who applied will get lapsed. And then people will get discouraged and crash! down we go again.

This is wonderful peak queue management, completely self regulating in terms of minimising the (duration of) peaks, but the point is the flat spots and troughs are costing a) jobs b) expansion of economy in some areas c) credibility and d) new investment in NZ

I'm now of the opinion that the volatility will eventually contribute to the failure of the policy, NZIS will wake up the numbers crashing eventually, and will find some way to drive up numbers using other categories or bending of policy, but SMC as it stands will not last two years without serious refinement or sustained marketing.

Even with marketing to create inflow, they'll waste marketing $ getting people this week who end up being lapsed the next week.

NZIS expect that things will smoothe out, but I think the market will lose patience long before we get a balance to the proccess. Numbers of migrants arriving have fallen, numbers of applications coming in have plunged, and my present call is immigration to NZ is no longer capable of meeting job market requirements as it can.

From my side, many agents have stopped selling NZ in total and I think it'll take a bit before they resume selling NZ, so my company is looking to diversify and set up similar operation in Oz to facilitate state sponored business migration. We'll still do the NZ thing, for sure, but the NZ immigration market is too volatile to keep me happy all by itself at present.

Cheers all, stay with it, people from this forum will end up being the only ones swimming in the pool before too long.

richsadams · Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2004 12:56 pm Post subject: *SIGH*

Thanks Jamie!

Excellent analysis…as usual! I might argue with the passmark coming down to the 120’s anytime soon however. Hmmm

But the whole of your concerns are absolutely justified and are already being proven out by the marked decline in applications. SoCal Gal speaks for a lot of people I’m sure. It’s just too bad that the NZIS is trying to get it right on our dime. What a nightmare!

We’re on our way in May. Mr. Green

We’ll be going in on a Work Visa, and if our EOI lapses (165), we’ll hold off for a round or two until the numbers are in our favor so we don’t waste any more money. I suspect many others will do the same. That being the case the NZIS will either be sitting on their thumbs or swamped…not a good scenario in either case. Nutcase

Thanks again for the wise insight. Nice One

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