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Moorf
Future NZ Guru
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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 9:54 am Post subject: |
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Friedman
I'll Hang Around A Little
Joined: 27 May 2004
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Location: China
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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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Congrats to you all!!!
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markkellaway
I Like It Here
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
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Location: Poole, Dorset. UK.
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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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Hi All,
Just seen this in another post:
http://www.immigration.govt.nz/migrant/stream/work/workandlivepermanently/caniworkinnz/skilledmigrantcategory/aboutthepointssystem/abilityassessment/potentialassessment/
Look at the caveat near the bottom:
Quote<"Please note:
We won’t approve your application for residence as a skilled migrant if:
you don’t have an offer of, or you’re not already working in, ongoing skilled employment in New Zealand
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you don’t hold:
a Doctorate or Masters degree that you gained after at least two year’s full time study in New Zealand
or
a qualification gained after at least two year’s full time study in New Zealand
in an area of identified future growth or absolute skill shortage.">End Quote.
This looks like everyone applying without a job offer (most people at the current levels) will NOT be granted PR. Any feedback on this?
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foolsgold99
I'll Hang Around A Little
Joined: 12 Aug 2004
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Location: Scotland
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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 6:56 pm Post subject: absolute skill shortage. |
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To be assessed with the ability to settle and contribute…
You’ll need to havean offer of, or already be working in, ongoing skilled employment in New Zealand
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undertaken full time study for at least two years in New Zealand and as a result have earned:
a Doctorate or Masters degree
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a qualification in areas of identified future growth or absolute skill shortage.
Find out about the added requirements you have to meet before we can grant you a Residence Visa or Permit. |
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Tara Sage
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Joined: 27 Feb 2004
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Location: Rangiora New Zealand
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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know how true this is and it doesn't effect us but I was told that you can get an offer of PR on the condition that you find employment within a certain time frame.?????
Not sure how true this is |
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astraldanger
Testing The Water
Joined: 18 Aug 2004
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Moorf
Future NZ Guru
Joined: 06 Mar 2004
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Location: West Sussex, UK
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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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Jeez, this goes against everything I'd been advised previously - and impacts in a HUGE way....
So what happened to being able to start up or buy a business with residency???
Really confused now  I think its time I spoke to an official at NZIS.... |
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Daniel Park
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Moorf
Future NZ Guru
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Location: West Sussex, UK
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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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I have just spoken to a lady at NZ Hse London.
She confirmed that Work Visa's would be given if no job offer in the pipeline. They would be for 2 yrs.
She could not comment on whether work had to be within work/quals/experience.
I also asked whether I could go out to NZ on a visitors visa to look for work now that I was selected - she said "most definitely - otherwise how else will you get a job" - almost mocking me!!
Doesn't really help us much as we have an employer willing to pay us equiv £25k for continuing to work for them even though in NZ - I feel sick! Racking brain to see if there is a way around this - any bright spark out there have any suggestions?
What about setting up a NZ "office" of the company offering us the work ? Would that get around it?  |
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Moorf
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Location: West Sussex, UK
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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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Okay - going to throw another spanner in the works now....
From the following text found on the NZIS website ( http://www.immigration.govt.nz/migrant/stream/work/workandlivepermanently/caniworkinnz/skilledmigrantcategory/aboutthepointssystem/abilityassessment/residencerequirements/ ) it would appear that you can get a job with the Work Visa and stay in it for a few months, get PR and then leave???
| Quote: | If you have an offer of skilled employment…
you must take up that offer of skilled employment within three months of being granted your first Residence Permit
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you must remain in that employment - or in other skilled employment for which you would qualify for points or bonus points - for at least three months. |
I admit I am as confused as anyone else - but what do others make of the above info? |
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markkellaway
I Like It Here
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Posts: 75
Location: Poole, Dorset. UK.
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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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Moorf,
Who is the primary on the application? Could the other applicant (you or Woz?) not work for the employer for £25k and the primary (Woz or you?) find a job for sufficient time (3 months) to satisfy the PR requirements? After the 3 months is up the world, or NZ, is your oyster!! 
Setting up an NZ office would almost certainly mean a commitment to hiring NZ nationals so that won't be viable.
One other thing that crossed my mind, are there any extra hoops for potential employers to jump through if hiring people with work permits over New Zealand citizens?
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Moorf
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Location: West Sussex, UK
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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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Hmm good idea - except that I am the secondary applicant as marketing isn't on the POL  (sensible NZ'ers don't want us stressed out marketeers !! ) Woz is primary with his software development skills....
However, you have sown some seeds! For instance, this project we have been asked to do could be done in 1-2 yrs, so I guess we could work on that premise for that time and before the end of the 2 yrs Work Visa is up apply for a permie NZ job....
Thanks for the thoughts Mark! |
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markkellaway
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Location: Poole, Dorset. UK.
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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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Moorf,
The offer of skilled employment that must be taken up within 3 months is if you have claimed points for an offer on your application, which you have not. As I understand it, once the work permit is granted, those of us without a job have 2 years to find one in our chosen field and that position has to last for at least 3 months, then you get PR and no further ties.
Mark. |
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Graham Barnes
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Joined: 23 Nov 2003
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Location: Shrewsbury
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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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A few thoughts...
Do you have the option of formally registering yourself in NZ as being "self-employed"...and therefore not directly an employee of a UK company (E.g. working as a freelance agent). It seems a bit blinkered to only allow in people who are directly employed by NZ companies??
Surely, as long as you're earning, supporting yourself in NZ and paying your taxes over there, it shouldn't matter to them? But I can also see the argument that they want you to contribute to an NZ business, helping it grow etc...(fence sitting here I know  ).
If you will be given a work visa for 2 years anyway (if PR is only awarded after confirming work), perhaps keep working for your company, the pennies keep rolling in until you can find alternative work in NZ or set up your own business? You'll have two years to do this after all.
But then again, us teachers don't have to face such difficult decisions out in the "real world", so I'm not an expert.  |
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Moorf
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Location: West Sussex, UK
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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Mark - I wonder if a contract would be acceptable - i.e. a 4 month I.T contract? Or must it be a permanent job? |
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